Nick Torres Bass Aficionado living in troutlandia

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No better, fish better. Here's your host, Hogan Brown.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Barb podcast. This is Hogan Brown,

your host,

and

it is May

eighth, date of recording.

Like most things in my life, I'm squeezing this recording in in between many other things, and it is Mother's day. So happy mother's day to all the mothers out there, and

the

grandmothers

and

aunts and

anyone who serves as a a mother figure in somebody's life or has at some point.

I woke up and did the usual

showering of gifts and making of breakfast,

and, I'm kinda

in between the...

I think we're maybe going out on the river, take a walk do a hike, do something and then

make a large piece of meat on the T barbecue

and,

shower

my wife with

meat

potatoes, bread, ice cream, all those things. So

pretty nice day out.

Little cloudy and when he's supposed to get some storms

coming into the mountains next couple days, which is

awesome and much needed.

We, I don't know where you are, but

if you live

anywhere within

the purview of cow water, you probably got your

notice this week, we were

notified that we can...

Basically... Well, basically, water rationing going into effect. We can only water our lawn

I think two days a week, we cannot water at various times,

bunch of restrictions going in and

basically, in in Chico, California, if you can't water your lard,

can't water your yard.

One to two times a day, then it's gonna die. So if you can only water your yard twice a week,

gonna be a lot of dead yards, which in the ends, not the end of the world, but

kinda gives context to the the drought that is here

and

the summer that will be coming.

Other than that, fly fishing news,

I am not been fishing much lately to be honest with you. I went for a good

multi week vendor of guiding and

being out on the water, and then the last couple weeks, just kinda

I don't necessarily took a break, but May is absolutely insane.

And if you have children, I think your kids in school and such and

we've just been super busy with kids sports four nights a week lacrosse,

Club soccer or

activities.

You name it.

So it's

kind of the the busy before the storm, I guess. I

start guiding stripe pretty much every day.

In another week or two. So

kinda soaking in the the lawn chair time, watching the kids play and hanging out and being around the house,

so that here in the next couple weeks, I kinda

gone a lot guidance and such. So

taking advantage of it when I can. I also

I also got a new road bike.

So

I I've gone back and forth about buying a road bike for a long time.

And I've tried to hang on to the fact that I can still run

and, you know, burn my

red meat in

high octane Ipa consumption

by running,

but

my dad

has had

tu knee replacements. So both of his knees replaced in the last say, five to ten years, and my aunt has just had her her first knee replacement, and my other aunt has had both of her hips replaced. So

I had to come to grips with the reality that, maybe my family or my genetic

I guess strength of lower extremities, meaning knee joints and hip joints may be working against me and that I needed to find a

lower

impact

program for,

burning off said red meat in high octane Ipa.

So I've gone back and forth about a road bike for a long time, and I I'm mountain bike for a long time and if you...

Really, if you drive anywhere,

in the back roads of chico go out on the way to the river, like, you've probably either developed a love or a hate relationship with road biker because there's massive amounts of them. And so, like, I've always had this kinda like,

negative

view of road bikes in the sense of they're the guys to, like, when I'm trying to get home from the river.

Are, you know, basically twenty deep running through the road and, like, refusing to get over.

So

I I didn't wanna be that guy, like, But at the same time, I also didn't wanna like, get a peloton and just pedal

on a road to nowhere. Basically, that just... I I think my Ad or my just desire to not be indoors and

strapped into a bike that goes nowhere.

I couldn't do that.

So

I've been looking on Craigslist looking around, like, I know what the heck I'm doing and looking for road bikes. He's even went road a few, and

I have no idea what I'm doing, but

I decided to finally pull the trigger, so I went into Amin Bikes here in Chico and, you know, spent probably way more money than I should on,

you know, a bike

Span x,

which

you know,

you you... It's kinda like jumping into a cold pool, Like, you just do it. You know, I I have not looked at myself in the mirror yet.

I just put them on, clip into the bike and just ride and pretend no and can see me.

But,

yeah. So there's that.

Shoes, gloves, helmet,

all the stuff. So

if you see a

an utter buff buffet riding around on a road bike in their back roads of, say,

West Chico,

be kind don't shove them off the road.

I... I've already fallen once

at a stop sign. Nonetheless, just sac rock straight over, clipped into my bike. Didn't know what I was doing. It was I think I don't even know how many people saw, but it it was definitely more than

five. There was a lot of people. And I just owned it. Just

did it fell over. Got back kept pedal.

So that's been a new thing that's taken some time last couple weeks, but I'll I'll be honest. It's

I don't wanna say I'm full sale road bike, like, I am now a road biker, but

the

the... Let's say. The fact that I can walk down the stairs in the morning, and my body doesn't feel like a a

sack of rocks cracking and banging together after I've run is

a pretty cool thing.

My lower extremities, my hips and my knees have not felt better in a long time.

So it... I think I probably failed to realize or naive realize how much

running beat up my lower body.

So I I do have to kinda own that, but,

yeah. So

fishing wise, not a ton of developments. Did a bunch of filming, some fly tying videos with our good buddy dominic Bruno, so keep a keep a eye out for those,

Dom doing some really high quality

fly tying videos for Loo. And

those are gonna be kinda trickling out a couple the first one came out a couple weeks ago. But, those are all up on the Loo website, and then also I linked to them

on my own website. So if you're looking to tyson some flies, H hd fly fishing or Loo outdoors

definitely have a bunch of videos by me.

Bottom of my new flies through reel or out. I've been posting some videos up, talking about some of the newer patterns and such, those are all out. So if you see those, please support.

That's about it.

Trying to think new music.

Haven't been listening to a ton of new music, lot old music. Actually, to be honest with he going back, digging back and then

played some shows. Royal Oaks had some shows. That was great. Commons. Cool place in Chico, if you're around Chico, check out the commons and just kinda one of those, like, pay to play. I don't pay to play, but, like, paid to poor beer places, which I really you bend to one, and that's the commons in Chico, but

They also make pizza, which, I mean, if you can buy

massive varieties of beer on demand annie pizza at the same time, that's a that's a good combo in my world.

So played there had a great show there. Put the good friend of mine, Tom Sq played some pedal steel for him on a couple of his songs.

Just nice to be out and playing music and doing things again. That seems like that was not a thing for a long time. So

other than that, trout is open.

The weather is nice.

I think you can pretty much fish everywhere. I can't imagine runoff as an issue really anywhere. So

get out and get some trout fishing in way you can because

if I can only water my lawn twice a week. There's not a lot of water. So

have a good one. I hope you enjoy this one. I talk to a good friend of my Nick Torres Nick is a...

He's the community manager

at

lamps and water works for the real company, but,

just a cool guy. Really into bass fishing,

traveling, fish fishing all over the place

as good family, good family guy, just

actually caught him. We had a... We had this podcast scheduled, and I I don't know if he forgot, which he very well could've of, but...

Or he could've have just said I'm going fishing because I caught him out on the boat, small mouth fishing, and it was actually great reception. Everything worked out really well. But

there were some points where I'm like oh, he's catching a fish right now. So

enjoy, Nick, and, thanks for checking out the Barb podcast.

Thanks to our sponsors, Luna outdoors in Sierra Nevada, and we will catch you next time. Take care.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Bar podcast. I'm here with a a good friend of mine, and

someone I've known for a while now. I was trying to remember when we met, and I I couldn't pin it down, so that usually means it's it's longer than my

the memory

proceeds. So

I'd like to welcome Nick Torres to the show, Nick.

How are you doing, Buddy?

Good, Hogan. Thank having me. Yeah. So tell tell the listeners what you're doing right now?

I'm I'm sitting out my boat doing a little bass fishing. Oh, that's so good. And if if you heard it... Taking a break for the podcast. Yeah. Totally. Totally. And and I heard a beverage crack as I was introducing you, which is awesome.

Which Yeah. Yeah. So Soda. Yeah. Yeah. You know, nice nice diet at coke.

So... Yep. Yeah.

Why don't tell everybody what, I guess what qualifies? You know not if that there's any really stiff qualifications for this podcast?

But

what it... What... What would the back of the baseball cards say?

Well, I work for Water work lamps. I'm the community manager there. I manager our our pro program, our ambassadors

social media marketing, that kind of stuff. Wow.

I get... Yeah. I guess that's really the only thing I, I like to fish a lot You know that that probably helps. That's lower on the baseball card, but still valid. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

So how long have you been with Lam and water works? Because that's that's how I met you? I remember when my buddy Sc, John Sherman took

took over the account out here in California,

I started fish fishing the reels.

And

instantaneously I met you and we hit it off like, you know,

peas and carrots on a, you know, three year old's plate. So

how long have you been there?

So I've been there going on eight years now in my effort. That is long tenured in the fly fishing industry. It

it is. Know, I found a I found a good spot in my...

The town that I live in and, you know, Haven't let it go. So... That's awesome. And And you actually met before that, though. Hogan? Did we... Yeah. I'm gonna refresh your memory do it? Because it's fucking horrible.

You and I first met, and it was briefly. It was for, like, two minutes at If.

Down my... Or in Orlando.

Oh, jeez. I wanna say... And it was, like, I think you're at the coast booth. Okay. I was there, like, trying to get a ticket for the party or something afterwards. Oh,

and

I think Chuck name came Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah. Chuck like my best boy like. Yeah. Hang out I'll check all the time.

And So I was like, oh, yeah. Cool. That that was our brief meeting. And then I think several years later, we,

Dude you have a you have a way better member... I mean, I'm downright impressed because

fucking...

Those trade shows turn into a blur for me for the most part. And it's not that I don't care. Like, I I I mean, the fly fishing industry is like my family, but

who, I'm sorry. That that a while back. Yeah. That, I mean,

the the... You know the things I remember about I cast or, like, some of the most random things because I haven't been back since the show left.

And

I remember thinking, like,

being in Orlando, like being like, you know, this is like an entire town based around

the

entertainment park or amusement park industry.

Right. And I was just, like,

god, this is awful.

You know?

And then I remember

The other thing? Why. Yeah. I was just, like,

why am I... Why am I in Orlando in July?

And then I remember walking up to the convention center, and or really any building with a glass window? And it's so humid out, and I'm like the sweaty kid on a cold day.

Like,

the... I that problem.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the the

the doors have so much

condensation on them, It, like, you can't even see because it's so cold inside and so hot outside in there is literally like, water pouring down these glass doors, and I'm just like, oh my god. What what did I do? Why did I agree to be here?

You know? I remember, I I was staying at the... At, like, that nice hotel right across the street in the convention center.

Yeah Yeah. You know, the hotel is all nice and ac seat out, and

I would literally walk from my hotel across the street. To the convention side just be soaked by the time I got Oh, yeah. Literally crossing. Yeah. No. And it... I... It's me too. I'm, like, dude, I'm in here. Like, I am in no position to meet anyone that's gonna make... Like, if somebody sees me there they're just gonna be, like, who is this to gust

pit stained shirt. I looked like, you know, That's exactly what I thought? I'm

Awesome. So so I made a great first impression.

Who's this guy? It looks like a used Carl salesman on a lot on a Sunday in, like, June.

Oh that's horrible.

Yeah. I I I mean, Cast was super cool. Like, I think, I mean, going around all the ba. And and if listeners don't understand... Or no. I cast is, like, the fishing trade show for

everything,

and the fly fishing trade show was actually part of it for a number of years, and it was in July. Like that. I really like that because it it allowed me to go kinda go over the

conventional side and geek out on bunch of stuff that they're doing over there. And Dude. I mean, let's Yeah. Yeah. Let's be very clear. That's like all I did. Right? Like, Right. I mean,

I I need to see another fly reel and fly rod like, I need a hole in the head, but, you know, I'll I'll listen to a low ranch rep talk to me for, like, three hours, like I'm listening to, you know, son.

So...

Yeah. I check out the bass

Oh, god. I mean, it was really cool. And I think...

I don't know. I mean, I I guess

I serve on the off board, so I should know the back end of some of it, but it was before my tenure on the after board, but it it

it didn't sound like it was a good deal, but at the same time, like,

it was really cool to go to. You know what I mean? So... Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Give and takes. Like, it was cool. Kinda getting the spill over from the conventional side, because mike out of, you know, really knowing anything about fly fishing coming in there and Checking stuff out, but

at same time, yeah. Orlando in July. Yeah. Orlando in July was not cool.

It was about the farthest thing from cool.

But

yeah. Didn't... I I even remember, like, the hotels had, like, enclosed walkways to the convention center a few of them. You know, So, like... Okay. So... Like, you didn't even have to go outside.

So...

Yeah.

So you're sitting out in the water and your boat, What you're fishing for small east, you said?

Small east large mouth, whatever. They're... They're both in here. You just got a lake you're kinda close to

what you see. Yeah.

That's funny. Because I know you and me always jive on the fact that we're big bass fishermen and fans of the the bass.

No one... I mean, is

is a Bass lake in Boise Idaho, a crowded fisheries?

It's not too bad. I mean, it depends. This place does

get a little crowded from time to time. I mean, they have tournaments out here. Okay.

But there's plenty of bass fisheries

within an hour of of Boise that... And I'm... Like, right now, for example, I'm looking around, I can't see another boat on late. That's awesome.

But that's kind re... You know, it's a Wednesday

evening at and Yeah. Totally. And this place just opened up, like, six days ago. Oh, wow.

For boats.

So it's still kinda early in the season, but

Yeah. It's it's a really seasonal thing for me, Like springtime time is kinda bass time I try to get these fish, like, pre spawn and... Yeah.

And I guess in the summer too you. I, you know, it's... Our trout fisheries have just gotten silver overrun. Yeah. Oh that. It's... And I have a boat, so it's it's kinda nice you email to get away,

still go fishing. Now do myself. Do the reservoirs out there where you're bass fishing? Do they... Because, like, I just have

I think I'm I'm pretty sure I did my last reservoir Bass

on Saturday because

while I was fishing, there was jet skis

behind me. And then, like, I heard, I think top forty hip hop coming out of the fucking ski boats at, like volumes the boats. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, alright. These fucker are here. We're done. Seasons over.

You know?

So... Yeah. How do you... Do you... Because I mean, it... That's a reality of any large reservoir like do you deal with that on those lakes? Is that a thing or do you...

So there's a reservoir that I fish

in the summertime,

and I basically have to go out there, like, nine o'clock at night with, like, one hour of daylight left? Okay. Yeah. And I still catch a bunch of those ski and, you know, I I'm I have, like, a a eighteen foot low rough neck it's kinda like a Yeah. Jet on. We know exactly what that is in our neck of the woods. And so in those ski boats go by about

fifteen feet away from me. They they moved this boat up and down pretty good. Oh, dude. They'll swamp a boat like that. Yeah.

Yeah. And they're last there two you can hear them from half mile away and Oh, dude. They suck.

I, that is an odd. Like, our reservoirs are nothing like what you guys have down there. Right? Do you guys... I mean, you're luck you got those giant straight bath

filled reservoirs that you can actually go. Yeah. You know, we don't have of that float. Flip fly deal. Right?

To deep down under a Barber. Yeah. So, like, most of our stripe are in the delta and then the rivers. And so I spend most of my time on the rivers. I'm sorry. Spot spot Spotted bass. Yeah. Spotted. That's what I was strength. Yeah. So, like, most of us wars by us are the big spotted bass. And we do that. We got some on top water Saturday and then some on the flow, some on a stripped fly. Like, this time of year, man, it's it's like

It's a gong show. Thing you guys can catch fish on top water year round on there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. I mean, it's it's

you gotta... You gotta commit to it and kind of... It's windows, but, yes, You can you can catch face.

In February, I think it was right before that pleasant can show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. A couple years ago, And we were getting blown up on on the surface at you know, mid February I was like, damn.

I've waiting until July for this shit. Oh, yeah. No, man. So our... You know, February, what's weird in Northern California,

you can get February days that feel like April days. You know? I mean, if you hit it, right, it's like,

game on,

You know,

but it always gets cold again, even this year with the drought and everything it got cold again. So...

I love it. Yeah. I I just... I love that stuff you guys got down there. The str.

Like between the sack and the delta.

Yeah. I gotta get back down. Oh, yeah. No, man. It is. And what's funny is as great as it is. A lot of the people that really love it. It's a small minority of people that actually live here that really love it.

And then everyone that comes loves it.

And then, like, ninety percent of the people

that live here, know nothing about it. So... It's just so different than anything we have, you know, like, in the in the Rocky Mountain in the last, I guess. Yeah.

The delta, especially obviously, like, Oh, absolutely.

Such a unique

environment and fisheries, Like, the first time I went there

district chalk and I was just, like, dude learn, like, just the labyrinth of Oh, dude Channels. Yes.

Yeah. Well, it's it's one of those places what's funny is, like, I know guys that, like, that's the only place they fish.

Like, they don't... Like, they're delta fishermen. They don't fish anywhere else.

Like Right. And they

are completely... They still discover new water. You know what I mean I... You know, the specialists. Yeah. Yeah. I really respect those guys that just... Oh, yeah. Are devoted to one thing, and they do it so well.

Yep.

I I can't really bring myself to, like, I... That's not how I am.

I need variety. Because Yeah. No. I I I get that way at times, but, like,

I've gone so far down the rabbit hole. With, like, stripe and bass and stuff. It's like,

I don't know if I I... You know, it seems so much more... It's always farther to go. I mean... Right. Yeah. It seems so much more at this point, and I'm sure it'll change at some point in my multi dimensional than, like, trout fishing, You know.

But

so you do have some great trout fishing close to Boise, which Yes. A lot of people you know, my wife my wife's family in Boise, So I've spent some time out there.

But it's not like the Idaho fishing that people think of. Right? Like, it's not, you know, Silver Creek and all that type of stuff. Right?

Yeah. I mean, Silver Creek is one of my trout fisheries that I go to. It... It's two hours away. So it's too bad. That's not too bad.

No.

But, yeah. I mean, when when most people come night idaho, they're going to places like the Henry's fork because the south fork to the snake. Yeah.

Those are kind of the two big ones and that's out east. So it's it's a junk from... Yeah. That's the other side of the state. Right? I mean, that's that's side of the state. Yeah. Yeah.

So,

when I've been out there, it's like, the south fork of the boise.

In, like, some, like, lesser known fisheries. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. So the south work and the Hawaii are I would say the two main trout fisheries for for Boise and Boise River in town. Yeah.

But,

you know, it's just the growth here has has been pretty

significant in the last

ten years, especially. Yeah.

And so

those plate... I mean, I used to be able to go to the South work or the Hawaii on a random weekday, and,

you know, you'd see a half dozen

cars down there or something maybe. Yeah. And now it's it's pretty hard to find the day where there isn't an somebody in almost every pull out.

Yeah. I have... I have one of the... I do have an Oahu story. And

it... So

I think this was in, like, ninety eight or ninety nine.

And

me and my wife, I was... We were dating at the time.

And

I think it was... You guys meet? We met in high school, man. Yeah. So we're high school sweetheart.

So... So she didn't really grow up in boy No. No. Coming out here. Yeah. She has family there and she lived there at various parts of her life, but, like, not born in... Well, not born and raised, just

strong ties and been there a bunch.

Gotcha.

So we were driving out. I think it was first year college second year college, and

we were driving out in her little ford escort,

and we were, like, two or three hours out of boise. Even when we pull over next to this, like, what looks like a mud ditch

running through the desert. Right? Which at the time, I didn't know it was the Milwaukee River, but it is the Milwaukee River.

And, I mean, shit, this is twenty two twenty four years. The time year was it? Like spring,

like... Okay.

You know,

I wanna say we were on spring break, you know, And we're gonna go see some of her cousins.

And

I... We pulled over, we'd had, like pack sandwiches spent the night and bend, I think. In with bend Ash, one of them. I'm not sure and we were gonna eat Probably

Ash was, like, eight hours away. Okay. So, yeah. It was ben. So we're we're we're eating some lunch,

and I had all my fishing gear in the car. And so I'm like, hey, I'm just gonna throw some flies in here, and I'd look at it, and I'm like, dude... There's gotta be some fucking monster small mouth in this thing. Right? Like, this is, like a mud ditch that has, like, carpet and small mouth in it.

And

I tied on there Forget. I tied on a Jj j special, which is a fly I absolutely hate, but it was, like, the only one I had.

And dude, I caught, like, three of the largest brown trout I'd had ever caught in my entire life,

like, on back to back casts.

And I'm just like, what the fuck is this place, man.

And like I landed him. I took all these pictures like, oh my god. I was like, totally freaking out, and I went in,

there was a fly shop

in

boise.

And I asked the. I'm like, if ever go fish that river. They're like, now, we never go for that river because you gotta buy an out of state license and then Oregon license is expensive.

And I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah.

Sounds like something. Cool.

And then, literally, like, I don't know. It seemed like six months earlier or later,

I'm working in my fly shock back home, and on the cover of fly fisherman magazine

is this girl holding this just fucking ga

brown trout.

That says Oahu River.

And I'm like, Oh yeah. Oh, fucking game over.

And

I... And I asked, like my wife's cousins before this, they're like, oh, dude no one went over there because you had to Oregon license, and if you wanted to guide it, you had to buy an oregon guide license now to state license.

And

no Oregon

would go there because it's out in the middle of nowhere. Too far from anywhere, like, for most of the Oregon. Yeah. Yeah. And

It's you know, yeah. It's kinda out in the middle of The. You know, the hour hour and a half in Boise.

But, yeah. I mean,

I I like to say it that much, but it's probably one of the better brown trout she's and

the United States. Oh, it was absolutely insane. And it was one of those things... Dude it's changed so much in the last three, four five years,

they introduced Rainbow trout into it, Like, three or four years ago. Oh, bunch of bunch of stack rainbows, and

I don't I don't know. Last couple... I only get out there now maybe once or twice or three times a year. Yeah.

Go camping or something, but it just the average size of fish has gone out. Like, like you're saying,

back in the day, go out there and, I mean, the average fish was, like seventeen.

Oh, dude.

For a California dude. I mean, I caught, like, three eighteen, nineteen inch browns back to back. Like, that don't happen in California.

You know what I mean? I was like, this place is amazing.

Yeah. We should probably just stop talking. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Roger that. Roger that. No. No. It it's it it it's still amazing.

Well, I guess the point of... Started going out there. Like, I kinda... You know, obviously, it was well known before I knew about it.

But I remember, like, those first few times going out there and just be like, oh my god dude

this crazy...

Well, drive flight, like, this drives year round, and,

Well, I guess the point of what I was saying is it got blown up. And it it never...

I don't think it ever

was as good as it was when it... After It got blown up. You know what I mean? That was kind of the, you know, the gist of the story. Yeah. Just to social media,

you know, you really saw

change

along the lines of

Instagram exploding and... Yeah.

But, you know,

I I don't wanna knock it because it's still an amazing fisheries. You can still find... People are pretty... I mean, most of the time, people are pretty

good about

giving you space and and you can usually find decent little stretch to yourself. Yeah email. It might not be the one you wanted, but

you can still find some a long time out there.

So from there,

is there, like, is there a bass fly fishing contingency

in boise? Or are you, like, a lone wolf

on the pro?

No. I...

Obviously, yeah. There's plenty of people at fish bath boise the m people that do it on the fly. Maybe

a bit less people that do it on the fly.

You know, it... It's restrictive in that. You'd need to have a boat. Yeah. Really to be able to do it effectively.

Yeah.

And until that limits a lot of fly fishermen, you know, if they have a boat, it's a drift boat or... Yeah. Or raft, and it's not really ideal for lakes and reservoirs.

Up the river. I mean, we have a snake river not too far, and that can be a really good bass as well. Really? There's a couple guys. You know, Brian Husky. I don't... I think I might have asked you that. I... You know, I've heard his name a hundred times and,

obviously we married. Obviously, my memory is not very good, so I could have met...

Maybe right after I met you for the first time, you know. She's gotten really, really into it the last couple years, last few years. Yeah.

You know, he was always kind of an anti boat trout trout fishing. Yeah. I for a long time and

kinda discovered bass in the last few years, and he's been geek out. So, like, I'll

I'll hit him up, and I have some info and sometimes I'll get sent from him and kinda match notes once a while. But... Yeah. And then there's... I have a couple other buddies that are that are into it as well.

But it's not... You know, as far as flash fishing goes, it's not the preferred

method

false people around here. Method species. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. So so the lower the lower snake there that you're talking about, is that small mouth?

Both. I mean, wow. Mostly probably large mouth. Wow. But there's there's big small in there as well.

That's cool.

Yeah. Like, this the snake is

And over on this side, so it's not like...

So you think of the Snake River you think of the South fork snake on, you know, on Eastern Idaho. It's Yeah. Amazing trout fisheries. Yeah.

But on this side of the state, it's it's much more... It's a warm water fisheries, so it's a lot of catfish, bath,

small mouth,

good duck hunting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah and, yeah. It's like, you know, it's pretty close to home

I try to get out there. That's cool. That's cool. And it's a big river. Right? Like...

Yeah.

It's not as big as, like, the south worker's snake is a lot wider than it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I guess it's about the same There there's places where

it narrows and there's places where it widen, but

I don't know. It's it's like the sack. I.

Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Interesting. Upper sack. Right? Yeah. Just strike. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. I still haven't fish the lower stack. That's where you guys do a lot of trout fishing on the lower. Right? Yeah. So the... I mean, the sack the Sack is somewhat, like, odd in how it's referred to. But so, like, most people consider the lower Sac

below

cha dam in redding. And

when people refer to the lower Sack, the sack closed north the south, they think of the lower Sac say from, like,

redding to red bluff, and that's kind of the the trout water or redding to

Anderson

area.

Well, Okay. We actually fish,

you know, twenty, thirty miles lower than that in what is the, you know, lower lower sac. So, you know, we're actually below all the trout water.

You know, the Sa three.

Like, how far from redding is that than where your?

Belts Oh about an hour

hour guy okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it

You know, we fish up.

We fish is far north for stripe is probably about forty minutes

south of redding,

in, like, the red bluff area and then we fish as far south as like Ka tulsa.

Which is

about thirty five, forty minutes north of Sacramento.

So it's a big area. Big area. But yeah. The lower sack up, through reading the the tail water trout stretches is

phenomenal. I mean, it's

definitely finding more and more ways to catch fish, but it's...

Traditionally in an indicator beneficiary, but it has

mutant sized rainbows in it. So it's pretty cool.

Is that where that bridge?

Yeah. The sun bridge. Yeah. That big bridge is right there in redding. It's kinda of the... That's kinda right about the upper put in. That's about the highest you can put at. There's a bridge in buenos Aires that's exactly the same as that bridge only. I think quite a bit bigger.

Oh,

that's interesting. Like, it's like an identical twin. I wonder it's maybe the same architect for you. I think it is. I think I remember reading that somewhere.

You know?

Yeah.

So speaking about one El.

You would've seen it if you have I know. I know. I know. Thanks, Dan. My... Every time I see, look at your social media or really any water works lamps in social media, I'm reminded that I did not go on that trip. But

What... So you went on, you went down, tell everybody where you went, First of all, the Lodge name?

So it's... We went... It's a two large program that we did,

and they're they're both

run and managed by nervous waters. Okay.

Now nervous waters has, like,

I'm probably not gonna get the memorized right, But they have something, like, twelve five fishing lodge throughout South America and the Caribbean.

And then

another, like, ten fifteen

hunting modules.

Oh,

yeah. So they got they got all their bases covered. But the two that we were fishing were P lodge that's p I r a

and

Lodge. Yeah.

They're about four hours apart from each other in in Northern Argentina and the province of Korean,

but vastly different. Like, one of them is on a a Marsh, which is...

It's a nationally protected Marsh. It's like National Park, I think, bigger than the Ever glad. Wow.

Really really cool ecosystem.

Is it fresh water?

Yeah. It's all water. Oh, cool.

So even water, Dura dorado, not not mo Might. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah ocean.

And

yeah.

Honestly, a lot of... Kinda parts of it reminded me of the delta a little bit the way that you... You know, it's kind of a maze channels and... Yeah.

Little...

Yeah. So ways through the water.

Now... Because a lot of, you know, the the Dorado or the freshwater Dorado is kinda like the

the latest and greatest species in the fly world

has been for a few years, but

everybody I've ever talked to says they they live up to the billing.

Every ounce and pound of fish.

So

was that the first time you'd fish for him?

No.

No. I've I've had a couple of chances to fish for him before.

Mostly just Diy

stuff. Like, I lived in Argentina for a year after college. Oh, wow. I moved moved down there.

That's where I met my current wife from Boise idaho.

But

my dad's originally from Argentina. So Okay. A bunch of relatives down there and stuff and kinda wanted to

reconnect with a lot of them after I college.

Moved down there, had a chance fish just a couple of days and in a town of South Santa Fe on the on the Par River.

The Par our River system is is kind of what... That's where Dorado evolved. That's where they're from, that's they're native.

It's second biggest river in South America.

Amazon. Wow. So, yeah. I mean, it's, like the Mississippi River size wise. Oh, jeez.

Like, a mile y with high and

and then,

like, the Marsh lands are fed by the Para River. And the part river runs all the way down from

the border with, like, Brazil and Paraguay,

all the way down to Buenos aires.

And so you can, I mean, you can find fish

everywhere in that river pretty much in that whole system?

So

the pictures of fish, you know, where these dudes are, like, walking and waiting in some exotic jungle.

Is that Olivia. Okay. So is that the same river system?

No. Okay. And in fact, I...

He'll atlanta to have Marcel marcelo from unplanned Dangling on your show sometime, but he... He's really the expert

as far as the Bolivia beneficiary. He... Yeah. Pretty sure he's...

He wasn't the first one there, but he's the one that really developed the program there for flat fishing.

And I thought I heard and talking out on podcast

way about how they they wanna do some studies to find out if those Gold dorado are actually a different species because they're isolated up in that. Like, it's... It's almost like a mountainous River system.

Yeah. I guess I... The reason I asked is because I think it's.

I wanna say the head headquarters are some lake in the mountains of millennial. Yeah. They're they migrate up into those rivers. They don't live in those little rivers year round. That's why I was kinda like,

thinking maybe they migrated up out of that delta or something. I'm not sure how it is in, like, in in an urgency, like, on the Partner river,

there's mig and resident. Oh, okay. In the same system. So some of them migrate,

some of them don't.

Interesting.

Yeah. Like, in at peanut lodge and Marsh lands,

you can really tell the difference between those fish and the fish on the par River. They have a lot darker back.

And then I believe fish from the par in our River will migrate into the Marsh lands, and you'll be able to, like, you'll catch.

A fish with the dark back,

and then a fish with... That's, like pure gold.

That's interesting. It just kinda depends on the time of year, I think. But... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude there...

I I... Probably my favorite fish. On planet.

They kinda have it all.

Know.

They looks. Yeah aggressive. They got big keys. They jump and jump and jump and

I mean, they'll eat it on top, They'll eat it, you know, down deep.

They get big.

Yeah.

So do you know like a striped bass except

golden instead of silver, and it has a bunch of teeth in the head of a salmon. And they jump. I mean, that the thing Jump. You know?

I mean, they look like just even the big one. They look like killing machines is what they look like. You know what I mean? Like,

are they hard to catch? I mean, do they turn off? Do they not eat like,

or is it? Ten. So the two fisheries were very different. Like, one of them

pit lodge in the Marsh. It's more of a numbers game there. You're gonna catch more fish, but the average size is gonna be smaller. Yeah.

At Lodge, that's kind of a trophy fisheries. Right. Gotcha. So

you're you're targeting

really big fish. I mean, they get up thirty thirty five, forty pounds. Oh, wow. Whatever.

And prop probably bigger than that. But

like, you can expect to catch a twenty plus or need come

palm fish there. But you're. You know, your chances are gonna be you're farther between,

because it's such a big water system right. Gotcha. There's a lot of stuff to

to kinda try to explore and Yeah navigate gate.

Whereas, like, fetal lodge closer quarters, you know, the fish can only be in a certain area.

So it's just... Yeah, two two very different

fisheries, but

the program that they have set up is just perfect because you go to the first lodge and

kinda of, you know, get the monkey off back and and

catch a bunch of fish and Yeah. Get your fill, and then you go to the second lodging and it's like, okay. We're looking for

for big fish now. That's cool.

That's cool. What what was your biggest fish that you got out there?

My biggest was

twenty two. Alright Wow. That's a big fish.

I caught a seventeen in the morning and then twenty two

last night that same day. That's awesome.

And then my photographer,

my, buddy Travis,

Bradford,

he caught the biggest fish in trip. That same day that I caught my two biggest

that morning he caught a, like, a, on his twenty nine pound. Wow.

Yeah. Now is it a lot of blind casting or are you site fishing or how you? At Su

so it's... There's a lot of blind casting almost like swinging that out in the middle of the river

your structure and stuff? Yeah. But they also have a lot of flats areas in that river. So, like, these islands will have

big sandy flats areas that are, like,

three four feet deep. Oh, wow. And and the water's pretty clear

And and, yeah, you you can do site fishing. You. Now you'll go up on the sand.

Kinda cruise around with the boat. Just looking for fish,

and

you see him in the cast to him. We do. We didn't really see any.

We tried doing the site fishing a little bit.

And didn't have a ton of luck with it.

But, like, previous...

So I went Paso,

which is town pretty close to where we were

on my honeymoon back in, like, two thousand fourteen,

and

I just found a guy at a boat and took me out. Yeah. I

you know, we're having lunch on this island and I went over the other side

just by myself and

there was a big flat area like that or there

could see a big school of Salvador, which are, like, the the fish at these you're out of feet on mostly. Yeah. Typically between, you know, one to two pounds.

Oh, wow.

Bait fish.

And you could just see a school them, like,

busting up on the surface, you know, Yeah. And then you'd keep flash, you know, you'd see flashes of golden auto

charging the school from the side.

And, you know, just put put a cast right on the side of that school and bam. You know, basically

lots of fish come in and and smash my.

I fly.

That was really cool. And it was cool too for me because it was kinda by myself. There wasn't like anybody

guide me telling me let's to do,

but nowhere near the size of the fish that we're attaching at, Su.

So, yeah. I mean, if you want... If you wanna get the good ones

guide

through lodge is the way to go. Gotcha. I mean, that makes sense. I mean, that that if you're in that Your guide. Well, and I mean, if you're in that been massive of a water.

You know what I mean?

Think about it, like, you know, some some average

kid could go you know, go to the delta and

either go out in their own little, you know, scoop boat

or,

you know,

fish off a bunch of docks and built. They might capture stripe to you. Yeah. But they're not gonna do, you know, what they would do if they went out with you or any the the guides down there. Yeah. For sure.

Well, that's cool. What's your... Do you have an a an a next trip coming up?

Couple work trips, and then

I am... I think they're gonna be going to Alaska in flat number?

Oh, I'll be fun.

Yeah.

Well, you know, Dave over at went fly swing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure. Desk. He he kinda reached out to me as a

little project that he's got going on and... That's awesome. Might be might be joining him up there and...

So. It sounds like we're gonna helicopter in. Oh, boy. Some river and then and then slow out.

Plan, I think.

Could taste by a few bears and, you know? Yeah. Probably.

Probably.

That's like one of my my life rules is I I try to avoid being part of the food chain, You know?

That's just like, common common live long. Live long and prosper advice.

So... You know, I'm I'm six five going on three hundred. I think those bears will just see me as like one of the funny buddies. Totally

but

After a week in the bush, you'll be shaggy enough you can fit in, you know?

I'll zero some half dead salmon and out.

You know.

No. I'm excited. I've never been to Alaska, I need... I have never been to Alaska either. I've been to Argentina a bunch of times. I've never been to Alaska. So it's it's definitely been on

on the list for a while and... Yeah.

Yeah. I'm excited.

I always... I never... I I don't know why I ever had any...

Well, I never had any interest in going to Alaska because, like, for most of my early life as a t guide.

It seemed like at least once a week, you'd have somebody in your boat who

would complain about the fishing being slow.

And then... I just got back from a. Exactly. And then just go into this dia tribe of about how good Alaska fishing was and, like,

after the seventh eighth twentieth time that that happens, like, my rational mind is, like,

I can never go to Alaska, ruin all my fishing that I do here. So I'm never going to Alaska. And, like... For me it's always big about, like, what am I gonna do there? Like, I'm not... I don't wanna necessarily go there just, you know, to go trout fishing. Totally because I can do that an hour away from home. Yes. Like, that's exactly my foot. Yeah. The steel had situation up there has always been their appealing. Yeah.

As somebody who fishes the

Salmon River in Idaho for

a fishy year if I'm lucky like. Right? Yeah.

And then the pike fishing fishing up there, Also, I I I really want to go up there and do some of that mega pike krishna Yes. That interests me very much.

Yeah. Like, those old barry reynolds videos up there that he did, you know, and stuff like that. I mean, those things looked amazing.

Well, and there's that outfit the

the midnight sun or... Yes.

They have, like, the house boat operation up there. Yeah looks really cool. Yeah.

Yeah.

And I don't I don't wanna Sc the the trout fishing in Alaska because, obviously, it's probably some of the best on the planet. Oh, it just ruined me for my own low trout. That's why I. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't I don't. I'll I'll I'll take all the trout I can find

when we go up there.

I'll jinx myself right now. Totally. Totally.

So,

being the community manager at Lam,

you... You you said you got some work trips coming up. That's a that's a... Those are usually pretty cool.

Where do you get to go?

Well, nothing crazy. So I got to New York. Usually, once year are are Northeast sales reps.

Gotcha. They're kind of a dealer summit up yeah. So I'll go and I'll present

you know, the product line to all of our our dealers in the Northeast. We stay West branch to the Delaware. Oh, wow. Resort. Which is cool. Yeah. I mean, that... That's really cool river. Historic.

Historic. And

you float down that thing and you feel like you're in sleepy hollow or something. Yeah. Like, the kebab crane is gonna ride by on the cool in the mist just I could

Totally really cool. Like, there's so much history out there and You're like your collar fishing shirt feeling under dressed. You need a tweed jacket. And

Yeah. That's not. I.

But no. It's it's a it's a good event. It's it's a good opportunity for me to get some facetime with all the shop guys and guides and yeah

get to hang out with all those all those guys out there.

And we have some great dealers out in the North Houston.

So that's cool. And then

Do usually try to tack on a day for stripe on the coast if I can. Yeah.

So I've I've got all that's on my bucket for the summer. That's good.

You know, the Northeast, I've... I'm always...

You know, I always tell people that, like, fly is is, you know, fairly large industry in sport, but it's very regional.

And

the northeast is like this this... It is, like, essentially the birthplace of American fly fishing, but it is...

We forget that out. We do forget that out west. And

I got

Yeah. Talk about it. The... The first time I went out there... I gotta say. I went out there a little bit like,

you know,

I live in Idaho. What... You know...

Yeah. Show me about trout fishing. Yep. But the it blew my mind. That placed blew my mind. Like, it was

it was really cool.

And at least where we are, it's it's all wild fish.

Let's... They don't really have, like, a stocking program. Yeah.

So these are, like, wild

really skit. It's super technical. Like... Yeah.

It's like And Silver Creek if Silver creek was

you know, as wide as the sack or something. You're fishing like, twelve thirteen foot leap six x leaders and,

you know, tiny little flies or maybe, you know, if if the sulfur are going on and you can throw a little bit bigger flies, but

it's it's cool, man. It's really technical. There's there's mist on the water, like, more days than not. Oh, and so you're just, like, floating through this, like,

ghost like mist and

thinking about revolutionary battles that we bought on the banks so the the like, for real. Yeah. Yeah. Don't for the river, Like,

it's it's cool. Yeah. And do they have... Like, it it's such a a different vibe and seen back there.

From what I gather. East east Coast yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, you... You're not talking about bass fishing while you're hanging on the Delaware. Are you?

It's funny to say that because gosh now I I'm forgetting his name, but

I actually spent a whole night talking about bass fishing loss on the bench.

That was awesome.

Well, because the small mouth fishing back. Right crazy. I can't remember his name... She... That's exactly right? Like, Yeah. You'd was showing me, like some of the biggest small he's I've ever seen. Yeah. He's like, yeah. I dude. I I have a dialed.

I can't remember his name right now.

Might be, like, Renegade twenty fifteen.

Anyways.

No. They they kinda have a lot of different... There's musk fisheries

buy.

It's not just tweed jacket and sulfur.

It's not. Not anymore. You know? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah know, the... There's definitely still that contingency.

Oh, for sure.

But, yeah.

There's there's a new

new age in the fly fishing. The younger guys are kinda changing stuff. Yeah. Everywhere. That's good. That's good. I like that. I think so too.

So

with lamps and water works, I I heard something... Water works lamps. Water works lamps. I'm sorry. I apologize.

Yeah.

I I I'm gonna... Somebody he does the. Well, you know, what's funny is. So every time I like hashtag of photo when I look at Instagram,

I I can never remember if which one comes first.

So I type one in and both of them come up, and then I always select the one you can see that has, like, the the largest number by it. So I'm like, oh, that must be the right one. But I never remember

what the right one is. So...

Yeah.

Most... Yeah. Most people just mouse lamps and...

Yeah.

Well.

I don't worry about it. We still... That's kind of the cool thing about Lamps is, you know, we have something for for everybody. We have something I've just bought every price point,

and we use you know, our our patented drag system and and every real that we make. So even the lower end price point reels are still gonna have the quality drag system that our highest price point rails have.

And,

with with inflation, it's nice having those options. Oh, yeah. No. I always... That's one of the few things,

you know, that I... I guess it's probably the first thing. I always show people in the boat. When I'm pulling reels out of the the rod locker. It's like, see this real? Yep. This is not an expensive real. See this real. This is expensive. What do you notice about the drag? It's the same thing.

You know?

So... Exactly.

Yeah. I mean, a lot of it just comes down to

durability,

lightweight, you know, the the lighter they get, the more machining.

Yeah. Expensive. They get. That's kind of our

our ethos is, you know, trying to make the strongest lightest weight real possible. Yeah. So that you're not, you know, not feeling the weight of the reel on your cast or feeling the line and and the tip of you're on. Yeah. Tracking more than anything.

Well, and you guys kinda pioneered that with the light speed

gosh, twenty some years ago when it first came out, you know? Exactly. So... Yeah.

I remember. In the, the the original forestry reel, those two reels were kind of our

introduction to the industry. And

at the time,

I mean, they're radically different than

just about anything out there as far as looks and

the large arbor, we, you know, really kinda

some of the first ones through the table with the large drivers.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. I I I visibly remember the fly shop I was working at in, like, the late nineties early two thousands when the light speed came out and the owner showing it to me and being, like, feel this.

This is a con drag and, like, going through the whole thing I'd be like, wow. This thing light.

You know? Right. Wow. That's be that's still one of my favorite reels.

That original lights with the big holes on. Big circles. Yeah. I think Looked like it looked like a spaceship. Yeah. We heard a little bit of about that at the beginning, but... Yep. It's... I mean, to this day, probably one of the most popular reels

you ever made. Well, and definitely, what, you know, it's

it was

the most different reel that I can remember coming out.

At that time as well. You know what I mean? It was that, like,

when everything was either black or silver, it was like cream color, you know? And like, Yeah.

It it just defied a lot of the

the style and commonality or the things that were common at the time. You know?

Pretty much every fly reel looked the same. Yeah. It did. Absolutely. It was it was the black

kinda court egg style, you know, or dish drag style,

you know, black with a bunch of small holes in it and a handle and encounter on on the other side of the handle on spool,

and

that was about it. You know? And, yeah. There might be, like, different drag systems or different companies, but most of those reels look pretty similar,

Pretty much exactly the same. And Mark Barr, who's, you know, use our

head designer for

the whole existence or a company, basically.

He just looked at that and was, like, I could I could do better than that. You know Oh, yeah. I wanna pick up... I wanna pick up more lying when I'm reeling in well, how do I do that? I make the ar.

Yeah. Well, and if I have a a con

drag system, I don't need the space that a disk drag takes up so I can make it lighter.

Yeah. And

fewer parts. And, like, those reels usually, you know, the the classic style reel comes in, like, eighty to a hundred

separate parts on one of those reels and

and our rails came out of the gate with, like,

thirty real parts. Yeah. So

let me just hold up for a long time. Yeah. No a lot lot it can go wrong and... Yeah.

No. I've never had any... They're probably one of the few real companies. I I can't.

I can't think of any other re... And I haven't... I've fished them since sure picked them up, So, I mean, I don't even know how long that is ago. Maybe five years ago, six years ago. All blur together at this point. But

on there broke one. Nothing's ever... I've never had an issue with one. And I don't honestly take care of mike care the best. So, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. There... There's not a whole lot they can go wrong. And honestly, in in today's age of

warranties

disappearing left and the right in our industry.

I... You know, I'd

kinda

proud of the fact that I feel like we have probably one of the best in warranties

in the industry. Yeah. And a lot of that's just because we can because there isn't

a lot of reels that are breaking. I'll. So know, our guy doesn't get back up too much it's like it's it's send a real and you'll usually add a back about a week half.

That's amazing.

That... Or on. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. What what got you guys into making Rods? Because

what motivated that?

Another is, you know, Mark looking at the at the market

industry and what was out there and say, I could be something better than that. And Yeah. It was the... It all kinda started with the center access system. Yeah.

With the real, you know, connected to the rod directly below the

the,

rod.

Yeah.

The grip.

And what that did was it, you know, it took away the torque from the reel hanging and off the side of your rod, so you really, you know, it kinda felt like you're casting a rod without a reel on it,

just a lot of feeling the tip and and look the line. Yeah.

And then once we kinda got into that, we started, you know, well, we can

you could bring these rob drinks to a standard setup,

and,

you know, came out with our first run rods, the Ss rods,

like, five years ago.

And then this last year,

we came out with a new line of

fresh water and saltwater rods, which I've just been man so happy with.

The velocity is kind of our our all around workhorse.

Yeah. Fast action, fresh water rod can do everything from streamers to mint rigs to, you know, big drive flies.

And then the p rod which is

like a two piece

Mh. Drive fly specialty.

Job kinda just designed for places like Silver Creek.

It's... Yeah.

That four way Pierce has just been my sweet spot for for drive fish. And then our saltwater rods have been really successful down in Florida and a lot of the Gulf Coast.

Because I mean, you can get a twelve week

tarp and Rod for four hundred and fifty dollars it's gonna perform

Yeah. Know. I mean, just as good as anything out there. Yeah. That's something concerned. So... The four hundred dollar salt salt rod is does not exist really anywhere anymore. So I mean... And at at Yeah. With the components that we use, you know, we probably have a way smaller margin on those rods than most

most rod manufacturers, but

it's

we just... You know, we we had a price point that we wanted to to be it. And so we just stuck through that price point You regardless what it costs us to to make the rod. That's awesome.

So you guys gotten the

I'm sure you guys are always tweaking in designing and you got some stuff coming up. You're excited about, not that you can talk about it, but is there some stuff coming up that is exciting?

Yeah.

Yeah. We got a few things engine that's good fine. Cool.

So

by the time, this is

our

light or our speeds,

dark smoke real will probably be out.

That's that's gonna be dropping here in two, or three weeks. Nice.

And it's, you know, it's it's another color option in our speeds are line, which is one of our top most, you know, most popular reels. I think you have a couple of them. Yeah. Yeah. I got them on my my trout sticks. My N sticks.

Yeah. Yeah. So it it's a it's a pretty pretty sweet color. We originally

made it for the European market. Mh got a lot of

kinda demand for it here, so we just decided to release it here as well. And then later in the summer, we're gonna have

some some more other stuff Cool stuff. Yeah. Some brand new stuff. Awesome.

You know? I think one of the coolest ones I've gotten in the last couple years is the, like, complete blackout,

light speed.

Yeah. That So this is gonna be kind of in that vein. Yeah. Yeah. The the knee speeds are dark smoke. Yeah.

Yeah. I that black speed. It's that's definitely... I I I pulled that out. That's on my rod. Like, I don't let anybody else fish.

I pulled out like, alright. This baby staying nice.

So

Well, hey, man. We're kinda coming up to an hour, and I always kinda to try to wrap it up here and it sounds like it's probably time for you to get fishing again and hanging out. So

thank you for coming on, man. And if,

I'm sure

everyone's gonna wanna follow along on lamps in. So

what is the the Ig handle for the lamps and Water works Water works lamps in?

Yeah. So Instagram, Facebook, we're just gonna be Water works lamps in or at water lamps.

And then website is w w w dot water dash lance dot com.

So you can pretty find... Yeah. And you guys are active. You guys are putting up cool stuff. You got... You've had contests going, like, you're out try. You do try. Hey hey.

We doing... Have a lot of great... You know, We got a lot of great people out there that are just stoked on

on their gear and and on our gear and so... Yeah. I'm constantly getting really cool photos sent to me and

getting tagged and getting emailed cool stuff. So I try to share, you know, the people stuff as much as I can and Yeah as much of my stuff in there as possible as well. And... Yeah. Oh, no. You did hit a, man. I I I respond pretty much right away. Usually read any

questions or messages...

Hell, I mean, you're taking a phone call out on the boat while you're fishing. You're on it.

I I work from home, which means that I don't ever not work.

Yeah.

Email at nine o'clock at night. I'm mean answering it. Oh,

man. Good man. Plus pluses and minuses. You, I love working somehow home, but... Yeah. No. Hogan. It's always always great to sit down and chat with you.

I, got I was saying we need to need to. Get together and and fish then. Yes.

Absolutely my friend.

You need to hopefully, I'll see out in Northern California. You gotta get up and fish the river again. I know

chuck out of the country for another couple weeks, but he'll be back for most of the summer. So

Well, I think we're doing delta day again. Yeah. Sc said that. Sure, I think that is a hard

confirmation.

I am I am a hard confirmation for that. Okay as well. So Thought a good time. So Worst case scenario I'll see you then. Yes. Yes.

Alright, man. Well, I appreciate you taking the time to to do this and sit on the podcast. So thanks. And... Well, thanks for having me, bud

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