Captain Bryce Tedford - Stripers, Smallmouth, Largemouth, and moving to California

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back. This is Hogan Brown, and this is the Barb podcast.

It is...

Gosh. What is it? The...

I know, second or third week of January, and we're kinda having that pseudo spring.

That we usually get here in California. It's

kinda scary nice. I think I'm getting a little nervous waiting for more rain here to come in. But

you know, if the first couple

months of fall in winter where any sign we should hopefully get that February, March just del of water

that we can get on a normal winter. But, the weather's beautiful. Been spending a lot of time.

Gosh, I've been the last couple weeks been out on the Lower Hub.

Flows are scary low.

Ing bright is not letting any water out. I think the release is like south of six hundred between five and six hundred. I am there is...

Gosh about fifty. I think Cf coming down Deer Creek, Some of that low elevation snow is melting.

Water still a little murky. I think the lakes pretty colored up, but

you know, the thing that I realized,

I think I was out there a couple times over last week

was

there's no other place that I see the growth of our sport over the the Covid era or the Covid growth as the lower Hub.

I think from the point I put in at my private access

above the bridge to my private takeout at Dag gary. I don't I don't think

rowing down the river I was never

not in sight

of

bank anglers, which is

if you know the lower you, but there's always some dead spots in there between the accesses and such, but,

man, it was it was packed.

I'm not sure that affected fishing much. Fishing was pretty decent. We got some got pretty typical winter. Type of day on the water. We got some really nice fish. There's some

some really nice fish in the u that are

jumping on some flies. We caught most of our fish, I'm pretty standard stuff rubber legs and eggs and little beta n.

Did not see any sq. I saw some shu on the rocks, but

you know, I'm sure some of those people on the banks were chasing that chasing that dragon.

Also been on the

the old inland ocean, lake Or been getting some nice fish there.

The bite slowed a little bit

not a ton. We've still been getting in good numbers of fish, fish and the float and fly and such. So

it's

definitely gonna keep going out there. Ryan, I know if if you follow kind of social media stuff, Ryan Williams, one of the the cal bashing union

members with me placed. I think Ryan I got fourteenth

in the Wild west s tournament last weekend. So

our fellow fly fishing the tournament trail is, gosh I. I mean, fourteenth. I mean, I think he beat a hundred and fifty people with a fly rod him and his partner or

his partner was and conventional gear. And he was fishing a fly rods. So I consider that a win.

Other than that, not a whole lot going on.

We got a great guest today. Bryce Ted, good friend of mine and a great

guide and kind of an interesting story.

I'll let him tell you all about it when we interview him, but a

great guy, dear friend and

probably one of the the most

passionate

guides that I know. The guy has more energy

than any guide that I've ever been on the water with, just fired up all the time, and that type energy is contagious.

Thanks for tuning in and enjoy

my interview with Captain Bryce T.

Alright. Hey everybody. I'm excited to welcome a a good friend to the podcast today.

Captain, We do have to refer to each other's captains. And we we did we did earn those titles.

Captain. We did. We did. Yeah.

You probably... You probably used what you learned more than I did, But

Captain Bryce Ted

from

where where is your location officially? Sacramento.

Are you sacramento?

Official

location these days is Lo eye, California.

Stuck in Lo eye. God. You know, I I never really, like,

understood that until I went to Lo eye. And I was like, Yeah. I mean, you're... It's kinda it... Like, it was funny. I went down and I did a fly tying event in lo I last month in December. Yeah. I hadn't been there forever.

And I'm, like,

You know, this is a quaint, little nice town. Like, it's got a really cool like, fair ground and, like, there's a a a, like, a park square downtown, and then, like, I kinda like, started thinking about the song stuck in Lo eye, and I'm like,

Yeah. You could totally get stuck here. Like, metaphorically

and physically.

You know. So... Definitely. Definitely. You know, I kinda picture it. So I kinda picture it back then. Right? Like, I picture them being stuck on, like, either I five

at flag city or

ninety nine on Cherokee Lane. And both of those are pretty much horrible.

Yeah

So if you'd... And I also believe that whenever I say Lo,

most people don't even know what you just said, all they see is those two points. Like, they drive by on ninety nine, and it's it's pretty bad out there. I'm not ninety nine Cherokee, and then same again,

flag city and five isn't much better. And, technically, that's Lo, You know? And there's sixty five thousand people in between, and there's some really cool stuff, like you said, the inner city some great restaurants,

And it's a nice area, but if you just drive by it on the highway, it is not much at all. Yeah. No. The the the Vista from I five and Highway ninety nine do not do the town of low justice. So Know. If listeners, you know, take a left or a right turn, give it give it a minute. You know Yeah. And there's a lot of vineyards to drive through and some... Like I said, some great restaurants and some great wine to visit.

But that said, you do it. You visit a day or two and you're pretty much done with Low ice. Die.

Yeah. Yeah

Unless unless you're pulling up residence or you're

metaphorically or physically stuck. So...

Absolutely. Yeah.

So

lo eye, and, yeah I mean, obviously, I I know what you do, but tell the listeners,

what you do?

So since moving down to California

about ten years ago. So I've been in the guiding thing now for about twenty five years. Yeah. And that's a really interesting story, and I wanna get into that, but let them know what you do, like, what's your job description right now?

Exactly. So, like, here I am on the the latter ten years of that twenty... That twenty five years. And that's since I've moved down into two thousand ten. I'm kind of like a reverse California

in the, you know, it's kinda funny. People are like, I'm sorry. You moved to California

from Oregon,

Idaho and Washington.

I get this in the boat all the time. And I'm like, yeah. Here I am and,

California,

and about ten years ago, I I I got married. I I kinda grew up a little bit. Got married, had a kid

and ended up in California,

and I

sat down here for about a year trying to figure things out. I've been guiding for about fifteen years.

And what popped up is the most interesting and exciting thing for me in my area was the delta. And the the California delta, Sacramento San joaquin delta

of,

you know,

like, twelve hundred square miles of water

looks like the most over the top, out of my league, but exciting thing to get into.

And

so because I had guided, you know, a ton of

drift boating in in Idaho, Oregon in Washington

a ton of steel heading

and the most unique and crazy thing down here for me was this delta and get a power vote and get a captain's license like you alluded to and go for it. And I was super lucky that Captain Mori Hatch kinda took me under his wing and was willing to point me in the right direction out on the delta because it's completely overwhelming to this day.

Yeah. Right. You know, here we are fifteen hundred to two thousand trips later,

Out there, and I'm still scratching my head sometimes.

But I have a much better idea. And so back to your question,

ten months of ten months of the year,

stripe,

large mouth, and small mouth

And I absolutely love the change and the excitement and the challenge that the delta brings and just the all in warm water of those three species and how uniquely different they are to, you know, to attack on the delta.

Yeah. And what really interests me... And I try to explain this to to people all the time is, you know, how hard it is in my own life going from, like, being a t guide to a stripe and ba guide. Like, that was...

And it... There's not many people

outside of you that I really know that have done that. And

so tell me a little bit about were you guiding you see. So you got Idaho, Oregon and Washington, and it's hilarious to

those are all the people that... Or those are all the places that people, like, literally flee totally from the state of california. Yeah. And I was fishing in Montana the whole time while I was there too. I just wasn't guiding it. But... Yeah. So you take... Yeah. When I tell big... Everybody thinks I lost my mind and just... You know, totally sold out on life because I used to just live on the rivers up there. You know? I mean, so I was born and raised on Bain Island, You know, In Washington state. I I got into fly fishing with my mom, on in the early nineties. So was raises as an only child up on Bain bridge with a mom that owns a landscaping business, and she had been through everything you could think of, like, she was one, like, one of the original wind surfers back in the eighties and stuff like that on Hood river and she just leave me on the beaches. And then she realized, wow, I got this kid. We should probably do something.

And

I think it was the early nineties, and I know you've talked about this in some of your podcast, which I've really enjoyed by the way. Thank you. Thank.

We went in the early nineties, and we picked up a couple of Ds outfits. You know, the discovery series. Absolutely.

We got first cast to first fish. I can't remember the author at this point, but first cast of first fish.

And we basically...

We were super lucky because we're on Bain. Right? So sage fly rods

is located on Bain Island. Yeah. Know, I used to dumpster dive, of course, in, you know, in there hoping to run into some thing you know,

put a couple pieces of various broken rods. Know? Actually, I had I had better luck in the in the dumpsters of streamlined back in the bay when, you know, because they throw waiters out that we're not quite destroyed, but we're pretty bad off. So,

that was the beginning. And then mom and I just started fishing all over, you know, Washington, which is the Y for trout, Yeah Nun

And Mary lakes over in Eastern Washington.

But the primary thing we did was all the beaches for silver, kings and cut roads. So that's kinda where I think the stripe thing comes back to me is it was all about puget sound beaches, understanding the tides,

when and where to be there, and it was... Yeah. Like I said, it was

Chasing, the the number one thing was the silver. There was a bunch of resident

c there.

We chase some off the beaches.

And it was there was some... I mean, ten fifteen beautiful silver in an evening,

out on just crystal calm,

puget sound water, sometimes on top water, Pull poppers. Wow. Across the surface,

And, I mean, it's not Alaska, but it was pretty incredible for where I was growing up. Oh, totally.

And so

from there,

how did you how did you get into guiding?

Well, it get done with the, you know, high school. So so we did that through middle school all the way through high school. It was just everything my mom and I could learn. Yeah. And then it was either come down to California

and

be on a partial water polo and swimming scholarship.

Because water pull and swimming was my life in, you know, in high school, you know? That's that was that was what we were after, and you know, we wanna couple beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful swimming weather up they're being.

Well it was all indoor. Yeah.

We we have all indoor pools up there. So

So swimming in water pool, and then I just... You know, I got this bug. I was working part time at a fly shop called Pal bow Angle Fly shop, just off the island. Yeah. And and then my first job out of high school was at Sw nest in Seattle,

Washington. So I was going across on the ferry, doing that. And then it was time to go to Oregon. So

I got

a gig where I took small fly shop down to

what, was it the Grand Ron River in the Northeast

corner of Oregon

went down there and took this little satellite fly shop that went down there on the river for the fall steel head season, and I think that was, like,

ninety seven or something like that. The fall of ninety seven. Right when I graduated,

date myself here.

We... And from then on, you know, it was, like, wow. This is it. And then I got to see guides in action on the on the Grand Ron,

and I decided that's what I wanted to be. You know, I was like, that's what I wanna do.

These guys have got it figured out the life they're living. There were smoking cigars, drinking Scotch. Do... It was the Deck Hogan era. You know? So, like, Yeah. Deck Hogan was had worked down there for John Ec

or with John E.

Of Little Creek outfitters, which is now currently owned by Marty and Mia Shepherd. Yeah. But before they were there,

it was John E who started it with Troy D also who was back up at that paul's both Angle Fly shop, So I go down there, see the world and I'm like, yep, that's it. Will John E of Little Creek outfitters offers me a job, and I decided yep, I'm doing that instead of college for the time being, go down to Oregon,

and

started doing the des disputes, the Grand Ron, the John Day and Hell's Canyon,

all in a season, we'd hit each one based on what was going on.

My first guy was on the John Day River doing

three to six day fully outfitted bass fishing trips. Oh, wow for the small mouth. Right? So that was my life, like the, you know, Yeah. Was... You know, and like I said, Marty Me, Em mia took, on that,

Right as I was leaving, they were coming on, actually. So I was there right when Marty started guiding out of, you know, he was doing the snow board thing. Yeah. I think up the Constant Brothers

up in, was a mount hood. Yeah. And he comes on, and that was kind of the end of my tenure there

for around two thousand two. I believe it was. Oh. So, like, ninety seven to two thousand two for about five, six years It was just all about John Day, to shoots,

Grand Ron, and the Hills Canyon and doing... It was all about those those three to six day, you know, trips where you would do all the cooking. Yeah. All the cleaning,

down camp, put up, camp.

That was our... That was kinda... That's where I cut my teeth. Was doing... You know, I learned all about the Dutch oven cooking, and we all have our specialties. Yeah. I loved it. I learned for it. Yeah. And then I got an opportunity from there,

I got to go over to Idaho and do this kind of the same thing on the middle fork of the Salmon and Idaho.

Are you doing? Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Six day fully outfitted trips.

Nonstop for, like, four or five months,

and you're doing it down a hundred miles of some of the most pristine wilderness

in the United States and you're doing... And I was doing it out of a drift, which is really cool. Yeah.

Scary sometimes, because you're going down three, class three and four white water. But Rowan a handmade wood drift boat that I built with the owner

down the middle fork of the salmon was kinda like the high point. Of that career. You know? Yeah.

And so that's all... I mean, that's... I mean, that's, I think what we think of is, like, traditional drift boat

tail water trout steel head fishing. Right? I mean, a lot of swung fly, I would imagine on, like, the des disputes and stuff like that. Correct? Yeah. So the oregon, it was... You know, like I said, he started... It was kind of season when start out on the John Day. We do, like, Native American, interpretive trips, sweat lodge,

and picked graphs and Pet, then we'd move into the... The small mouth on the John day. And then we'd move over into, like, Hell's Canyon, and then back like you said, it was all about the des shoots in the gram ron was for us was mainly about swinging two handed rods.

They're pretty big at that time. You know. Like the seventy. The seventy one forty...

Yeah. The big fourteen footer. Yeah. The big fourteen foot sage

original, you know, that was kinda... I think there was a seventy one thirty six as well.

The time the thirteen and a half foot, seven weight. Yeah. And those were kind of the two rods. You know, you had a choice from at the time.

Wow.

Yeah. So it was a lot of fun. Yeah.

And so you

you did that. I mean, you... I mean, you're essentially live in the the trout and steel had dream.

And definitely,

you moved

get married and you moved to Lo eye?

Well I was doing live in the steel. Yeah. The dream and then was over in the middle middle fork of the salmon for about six seven years. Okay. And then on the side from that, I was in the falls. I was coming back after the middle fork of the salmon.

You know, this was, like, two thousand two to two thousand nine

time. It was middle fork of Salmon. And then I'd come back and hit the road river for the fall because it would just extend the season. So you're slowly. You're slowly migrating so... I'm migrating south. Right? I'm working out. I didn't know why. But, yeah. Yeah. I'm working south.

And then I'm down here in California visiting one of my... So I have my dad, my step, mom and my three half brothers are down here in California.

So I have ties. Do. And And throughout my life, I've always come down. I've almost had two families. I've been super lucky, you know I mean,

Two families. And so I'm down at one of their weddings. And, of course, up comes her sister,

sees me swing dancing with one of her,

with one of one of my sister in laws, and she's like, you need to meet my sister. And of course, I have a couple beers in my hand. I'm like, yes. I do.

And little did I know that was my reason for coming down to California

in about two thousand ten. Yeah. To, you know, check out what's down here? Yeah. Little, did you know you were buying a sparkle boat a Captain's license. Right? That it it it is super fun. Yeah. I mean, most of those guys up there, they don't even talk to me anymore. They're a lot. I mean, I mean, it is still fly fishing, but to them, I've pretty much just lost my mind and gone off the deep end. Yeah. Well, it... So...

I mean, you kinda must have had some interest in bass fishing based on the small mouth fishing on the John day. Right? Like, I mean, you were? Yeah. I, I was trying to think about this before we talked, and you're right. I guess I had, you know, my original first guide gig was doing small mouth bass on the... I mean, that was my, like, just get... I was a bag boat to start. You know, I would go ahead and set up camp, you know, first Season.

And then within a season or two, I ended up. I was running little creek outfit that And

and I was the... You know, I know you've been through this this program. But you end up becoming the lead guide. Yeah. And you're now running you're set, you know, you're doing the shopping. You're holding the checkbook. You're driving the F three fifty. Yeah. And you're, you know, you're setting up all the trips. And, you know, and there's there's an owner who calls in every once in a while You might even come on a trip or two, but you know, mainly... You're the guy, You know, and you're and you're running it, and it was all about the small mouth, and I almost bought that company, but then I just decided that middle fork of the Salmon looked really exciting. Yeah.

And it... For me, that was, like the Grand Canyon of fly fishing at the time where, you know, doing six day foley outfitted trips down the Frank church Wilderness,

it's a trip. I wouldn't... I would suggest anybody go check out. You know? It Yeah. If they ever get a chance, doing a six day fully outfitted trip down the middle fork of the Salmon in Idaho, I would suggest going with the fly fishing company a few of them over there that

specifically look at it. And it was, like,

it was the culmination of that that form of,

guiding.

And then... So but the small mouth was always kinda where I started. And so when I got down here, I'm I'm trying to figure out what I'm gonna do. I'm living in Sacramento at the time. I'll be honest. I'm in the suburban jungle going what did I do? Wow. Well, that's what I'm thinking like that.

You're right. So... Yeah. Let, I mean, low eyes a little better for me. It's not... You know, I can get to a... I could get to a vineyard within two to five minutes. Yeah. From my house, But

with the middle of Sacramento,

I pretty much thought I might have blown it, you know, and like, how's is this gonna work out.

And then someone meant, you know, the the... I knew the delta was out there. I knew there were stripe. Yeah. And then someone mentioned, hey, there's the small mouth thing too going on.

I think it was Chris Christians in,

Kin fly shop. Goes, you know, I've been doing this small Ago, well, shoot, I know small mouth. That's what I used to do getting started.

And let's go check that out. Yeah. And so we I I went out there, and I was like, this is awesome. And a lot of the guides

that we're currently out there.

Some them did stripe, and some them did large mouth, and some of them did both stripe in large mouth or only one and the other, but very few people were willing to do all three. And Yeah. That's very true.

Yeah.

And that's kinda of been my niche is, you know, is I found that

for the most part, a good solid ten months of the year, there's something going on. Sometimes there's more than one of those fisheries going on. But generally, it's... You got your Stripe season. You got your large mouse small mouse season and then back to Stripe.

And

the small mouth I thought was a huge opportunity out there.

And so

That was where you're, like, okay. There's hope. Right? Like, I'm gonna figure this out.

Oh, yes. And like I said, that kinda goes back to a super lucky guys like Andy e. Yeah. We're super at Kin fly shop was super

supportive and just sending me like, hey. Why don't you go up and try this area, and you go up this way and go that way. And so for a long time, a lot of people ask me about the delta and how, you know, to get started on it. You always start from a point. You go out from that point and you come back to that point and you kinda work out from, like, say, a marina. Yeah. And so for a long time, it was, like marina everywhere, but nothing was ever connected. Yeah Gosh Over the years, I started finding figuring out that water in between the marina.

Got it. And the... And you almost have, like... So you you might start at four or five points in a circle around the delta, but you never connect them until possibly a couple of years. Yeah. And so that's kinda when I was, like, wow. There there's definitely some opportunity out. Year between these three fisheries. There's only about

five, six guys doing it regular. Yeah. It's a heavy investment, but it it was the time to do something like that. You know? It... When did you go to the point where, like, because you go out, you see the small mouth fishing. I mean, it's a big jump between being, like, okay. This is cool small mouth fishing and, like, I'm dropping coin to buy a boat.

If it was... I'll be honest. I mean, I think the stripe

obviously were the first, You know, because all I kept hearing from everybody was Stripe or stripe or Stripe with regard to the captains and everything. Yeah. Yeah.

But they most of them would go to other things during the summer. Like, they would do they do a spring season and a fall season. Yeah. With the exception, of course, as you know, Mike Costello. But even he has some other stuff that he does. Oh, absolutely.

He doesn't... Or and at the time, back in the day, he what definitely wasn't just doing the delta, but he was doing a couple other fisheries. Yeah. But I was, like,

well,

very few people are willing to just stay there and go do stripe, large mouth, small mouth,

and

it

for me, the biggest thing that I saw that was time to drop the coin was. I'll I'll be honest. I looked you were one of the guys I looked at. I looked at, like, twenty guides out of Sacramento area not that you're in Sacramento area, but... Yeah. In that that say twenty thirty guys, and they're all

kinda doing the same thing,

at the time,

sure.

And from some of the fisheries, and I don't like to knock the fisheries in California because I think it has more fishing opportunity than just about any state in the country. Yeah.

And for more time of the year. So I think there's a huge positive there, but some of the fisheries were pretty mediocre from what I came from. Meaning, Oh, a fishing or that say the steel had fishing on the American River. I'm, like, wow. That's a tough

grind. Yeah. From what I came from

some of the nicer rivers in Oregon

through some amazing years.

Yeah. Would be...

And if I'm gonna stay close to home, which is I got married I have a kid, I'd actually want to be around my family.

Yeah.

Which is a change, you know, from where I was before where it was You know, it used to be it was four or five months, and my family was lucky to get a call once a month, you know Oh, for sure.

My mom and dad or, you know, my, you know, it's... It it... I didn't have a wife and a kid at that time. I don't know how you would. Yeah. Yeah.

But so it... When I came down here for me, it simply came down to one of the least

exploited

opportunities in California,

if you were willing to make the investment

was the delta, or stripe large mouth small mouth.

And, of course, it doesn't hurt that the Bay area is one of the largest economies in the world. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it it it is

it it it obviously,

excuse me. It obviously worked out. And

I imagine sitting in Sacramento at that time looking at it, being, like,

that's the smart move. You know, but it had to have been tough because I mean, it... The American was still a very viable

beneficiary

at that time as a guide. I would imagine, you know? And in two thousand ten? Yeah. Or was that about when it started to

go downhill.

It all blur You know again. I... It you you well, you know, again, I don't have the history bump behind that. What I noticed was compared to some of the fisheries that I had come from. Oh, yes. That's good Yeah... And and what I... And I know you understand the difference between what I was considering an adult steel head up in Oregon versus what might be an adult steel head down here,

and your willingness to N if you're gonna have any sort of consistent Yes. Consistency.

Whereas up there,

I was averaging a couple of fish a day on average

by swinging. And if I went,

well, that would exponentially high. That's only name. Yeah. Yeah and these were... And when I say adults, we're talking, you know, twenty inch plus minimum with many of the fish being,

you know, twenty five to thirty inches or so, you know? And and it it was consistent. It... Yeah. When I came down here, that was there was less fish.

Challenging

situations with the homeless along the rivers and whatnot. And

and it... There were a lot of guides. And Yeah. The funny thing about California

is it has been... It... This is

and an an a crazy thing to me about California

It is the easiest place to become a fishing guide. Oh, yeah. But the states I've been around. Absolutely.

Which means everybody's a fishing guide. You're you're mechanic who works, you know, five days a week. He's a he's a fishing guy. Right? You know? I mean... Oh, yeah. On absolutely. On

everybody. And that's not a knock. I mean, good for them doing other things. It's more that, wow. That that makes it really challenging and if I actually wanna do this.

Yeah. If you're actually gonna be the guy that's gonna pay his mortgage doing it. You know what I mean? Yeah Correct. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Rather than I have another job. And then on the side, I do two days a week of guidance or... You know, whatever. Totally.

So it makes it tough. And and and, yeah. I mean, it's it's all in. Yeah.

So

what, you know, I've always found it very interesting to talk to people that do such a or make such a paradigm shift. In

How they guide. Right? And I I,

I I kinda believe I preach to the choir sometimes when I talk about that I I honestly think it's harder to guide for ba species than it is for trout if you're doing it on a consistent basis. You know? And

well, we're some of the tough parts

with you when you made that switch, like, with your mental approach to it, just things you kinda...

It's a totally different mindset. Right? Like, it's a different program.

To put it simply. What what were some of the things that you struggled with or that were

hurdles?

You know, I I... Obviously...

One of my primary jobs up there was being a steel head guide. And by steel head guide, you're saying that if you get one adult steel head to hand per day,

you've had a pretty good day. Yeah. Well,

what I... What I... I'll be honest, I came down here with pretty low expectations when it seemed to

the stripe, the large mouth in the small mouth,

I now forget because it's ten years later. When I first came down here Was like, you gotta be kidding me. This is like the easiest thing in the world.

Unfortunately,

after ten years and myself team spoiled, and obviously, sometimes our guests gets spoiled, and they come back with you very regular.

What would be a

amazing day in another fisher could be a very average day with small mouth, large mouth and stripe because you usually do pretty good.

Yeah. That's, yeah, that's interesting. I... You're... You're right. Yes.

I... So what I found is I am kind of on another cycle. Like... So when I came down here, Stripe large mouth and small mouth. Although they were completely different. It kind of went back to my roots with chasing silver off the beaches, with at least, you know, hu in line,

strip hard. Well, that's stripe.

And then the... I done the small mouth thing with the John day river, so that made sense to me. But now I'm doing it with a boat, and I'm just going along the rock walls and whatnot. And rivers and the and the Jet. And then the large mouth it's just like you gotta be kidding me. They'll come up and eat something the size of my hand that looks like a frog. Yeah. And explode on it, and

That's like the number three fisheries that I do, but it's in its own right, it's an incredible.

So although they are challenging and

I think the more challenging thing is all the stuff you need. Like, you gotta have the boat. You gotta know how to properly move that boat along that tree

to properly fish it. You gotta have the right gear. You gotta be willing to change your gear. Meaning, for me, that means grab an know, I've got fourteen fully rigged outfits in my boat. So when a when it... When a fly is not working, I almost rarely change the fly, I'll change the whole rig up. You know know? And Yeah. Here's here's another rig setup up. And

you take all that and put it together. I think that's the challenge

of

Stripe large mouth and small mouth is more just the whole picture, not necessarily the actual fish.

Gotcha.

That's interesting because I never thought of that, but you are absolutely right. Like, if I...

The amount of stuff I bring with me to go trout fishing is pretty minimal. You know? Like, even when I'm guiding, it's like, And even less with steel head. Right? Absolutely. I mean, steel, I'll be honest after ten fifteen years of steel heading, swing a swung swing steel head guide can be a very boring career. Because after about ten years you realize, I've got these guys trained. They know how to use two handed rods. Now I'm basically just sitting and watching them go through runs,

days and days at a time. Yeah. I... I've, you know, I've done a few

I'll do a few,

you know, swung fly steel had trips on the feather for, like, the little spring half pounder and a few, you know, Northern California adult fish. And

it it like you're literally just like sitting in the boat, chilling. Like, You yeah. Just like dude.

Like, my Ad

this does not hang.

So I definitely...

I was... I had... I had...

I could ask

you know, got my center and my chi, and I had I had done pretty good for about ten years. But what I didn't realize is I was really going backwards on who I was. Because when I got to the the stripe and the moving around and the chasing him and trying to understand all the tides,

and that places and you add all that together and make a decision day by day. And of course, the number one thing I tell people is you're... If you're out there regular,

you have yesterday's

information and

some of the most important information you can have is where you did not catch fish or where you struggled or where you were in water that just didn't feel right. Yeah. And of course, you take that out of tomorrow

and that can be the most valuable

information, not necessarily where you did catch fish, but where you did not. Yeah.

And that's interesting because that's like, you know, I I I don't talk about that a lot, but it's like, the more days in a row that I'm out there, and I filter out those crappy places

or those places I'm not catching fish. I feel like the closer I get to, like, Val.

You know what I mean? Like,

and feel. You just you you get in a groove. You the feeling. You get, you know what? That all said, You you sometimes throw the dart and your way off. Oh you're.

After should not have gone, like, I drive forty five minutes out to wherever.

And at the end of the day, and then I get a text from Chuck Reg and, like, I should've drove driven driven fifteen minutes the other way. Yeah. And do. You're like, whoops. I zig when I should have zag And it's funny like, that just feeling of utter defeat, like, I don't... I've never had that, like, floating, you know, for trout on the Hub. You know what I mean? Because it's, like, I'm a put the boat in and we're floating to the bottom, and

you know, we're gonna find a few here you there or we're gonna find a lot here and a lot there or none... Like, you're just going. Like,

there is

such a feeling of utter failure after, like, a twenty minute boat ride up or down River and you're, like, fuck. They're not here.

You absolutely.

Absolutely. That's... Yeah. No... You know, I mean, you you can run the entire Delta spend eighty dollars in fuel for a day, and

I've come back and literally been in sight.

Of the launch, and this is great when this happens, and you end up just slain them with the the launch like sign

in your in behind your boat and you've you've you boat the entire delta, feels like. Totally.

And you're like, wow. I should've just stayed right here and spent five bucks and got there. Totally.

Wow. Did I just... Wow... And then the other time, you go the other way. You just stay there. Yeah. You just crush it and then that... Poor guy who shows up at the end of the day, which I've been that guy, But... But And and you've just sat there and inflated it, and you almost don't even have a heart to tell him. Yeah. Like, you know, I hope you enjoyed the boat ride.

Isn't the delta pretty.

Is isn't the delta great, man. Yeah. No. It's it's brutal, but it's such an amazing... I mean, it's an amazing waters shed. It's super unique.

I mean, I gotta say... Doing the summer small mouth trip with you and your boys. That's that's always a slam dunk for me to take out, you know, any sort of,

father son or father daughter trips is... Yeah. And that's kind of that's kind of a unique thing that you do. I... I mean, I've never done that. And, you know, to tell the listeners a little bit about that victory. I, I mean, super fortunate to have you out there, and I can't thank you enough coming out me. Oh... Boys the boys have basically said that's a yearly trip. So... That's that's awesome. We'll make it happen. You know, with or without the the tow. Yeah. I can't seal the deal. That sealed. In my insurance clause, but, you know, so that's not not a regular thing, But... No. The small mouth thing is I gotta say of all the fisheries I do out there. A lot of my regulars, they love the stripe, and you know that game. It's it takes a lot of effort. Yeah. And it it takes some knowledge to be able to throw eight and nine weight rod with heavy sinking lines and big flies.

There's the large mouth, which is floating,

top water, two to four out four frogs usually and poppers

Yeah. I get a lot of those from Delta bass bugs.

Yeah. They just because they make some... They make some you... They they do, like, car detailing on their poppers.

And I'm like, dude, I I like making flies, but I'm not gonna put nearly the effort.

That they make into those beautiful poppers. So I usually get...

I've been using a lot of those flying and fishing company

ali.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. That's what we fish out with you. Yeah. And so that's what I use also for the large mouth

in size two and four

on floating lines, throwing them over the weeds, finding those spots with a large mouth they're sitting. So some of my regulars will come back and do that, but that takes some effort to, but the thing that has been a slam dunk, and I'd say is one of the more enjoyable things that I found down here is doing the small mouth bass

from, like, June through September,

you've got a officially where this is a knock on wood thing

It is the only beneficiary in twenty five years of guiding.

I have yet to be sku on. Yeah. That's... I did the... Just the one day I was out there, it you'd have to work pretty hard to not catch a fit. Well, you know, that yes and no. I mean, obviously, your boys are well trained and they're pretty amazing at what they do. And so what I'm saying is I've had people, a lot of people, Grandpa brings a granddaughter or. Ramp up brings their grandson, and this has happened a lot. Well six to nine years old, and I'll always check with them go well here. Let's remember. They're gonna be in the boat for a couple hours. So let's make sure they actually want to be there. Yeah. And if you still believe they're... You know, they're okay in the boat for a couple hours. We can take breaks, We could stop and get some ice cream or I've got a couple places to go. Yeah. But if not,

if they're good with a couple hours, I have been able to take every person out there where they've touched the fly rod or not,

and it is the most one zero one. I do it. I mean, is, is one zero one as you get,

and they cast,

they fish or work the fly,

they hook and they land a fish, and every person where they've touched a fly rod or not has gotten

small mouth on the fly. The very first day, and I can't tell you how enjoyable that is as a guide. Oh, yeah. But even more so to be able to then go okay. Now you've done the very basic of fly fishing Now I would suggest go back to Kin fly shop, fly fishing specialties, lost Coast outfitters,

get your first outfit,

and then I would suggest going on to the lower Sac.

Or, you know, up towards your way or, you know, I mean it's... I then send them on to their next adventure. Know, I'm, you can always come back with me and go a small mouth fishing again. Totally. But now now go up to the to the truck

you have to be aware that you might not catch a fish, but you'll be... You'll stand in one of the most beautiful rivers in the world. There are beautiful fish in there and big fish in there and go up to Matt Har and give them a chance. And after a day of that, you'll know whether you wanna be a fly fishing person or not. Totally.

And it's it's it's funny you say that too is because, like, my boys... I mean, I always tell my... Like... My boys will believe me as they get older I think, but they're they're spoiled little turd when it comes to fishing. Right? You know what I mean? Like, they've done all sorts of stuff, but

one thing about that fishing that they had not done in which I think is cool for... I don't I don't mean. I don't care if you've been doing it for your whole life or you're just getting into it, but it's so visual too. Like... Yes. There is something I don't care if you're passionate about the sport, how old or how jade did you may be. The visual seeing fish,

chase your fly, eat your fly, pull off your fly,

bump your fly, crush your fly. I mean, it was...

They would... I I don't even know if they... They'd never had that experience

of just like such a visual fisher.

And I mean that... That's that appeals to anyone. You know. I and well, you and I mean, like you said, I've had so...

Like, I I make jokes of what you just said, and you couldn't have said it better, but just another way to say, I've had people email me from...

Mexico, which is one of my favorite fisheries Yeah for Rooster fish on the East cape I got to go down there.

One of one of the jobs I forgot to talk about in in,

up on the road when I was up there for about, six, seven years I was part time at B Fly rods. So just before I moved down here, I was the

operations manager for B Fly rods. And one thing he always did was go down to Mexico every year. And he believed the company and let me run it, and he'd be down in Mexico, and then I'd get to come down for a week or two here and there. Yeah. And one of the most amazing fisheries chasing Rooster and Dorado. Well, one of my favorite stories was I had this guy. He's down there, catching Rooster and Dorado, and and he's emailing me about fishing small mouth the next week when he gets back. Like, that's he's like, do you have any openings?

I just wanna catch some of those

small mouth on top. So

here a guy is in a world class officially. Totally. Talking about coming back to to chase some small mouth on a four five weight rod.

Yeah.

Well, it is, man. I mean, it it... I don't... I mean, I... It... It's such a visual thing. It's perfect for beginners. It's realistically. It's

for anyone, man.

Yeah. I I I agree. It's it's such a neat fisheries. It's great for getting people in the ford. It's great for the Bay area because I'll be honest, they gotta pass by me to get to all you guys. And. You know. Yeah. And, on the first one to tell them to go on to you guys after they've been with me. But I'm like, hey, give me a chance just to show you what you're up against and then go from there,

and they'll come out for the day. They'll eat some of them, obviously are gonna go go on with it. Some of them are like, you know what? This is not for me. And and Yeah you could it it really is a great way to figure out what fly fishing

the basics of fly fishing is about. And then you decide if you wanna go from there.

Yeah. And so

The best time you said for that if for the listeners is gonna be, like... I mean, I'm I'm thinking in June July, August, and then maybe into September, if it... If depends exactly. Yeah. As a rule, I say June fifteenth to September fifteenth, but you're right. June July August can't be be same with the large mouth

for top water. And if if I see people are doing really well with the small mouth. I always have the large mouth rods on board, and I'll be like, hey. You wanna turn this up a notch and throw some eight weights with some big, frog patterns.

We'll go through for some for the large mouth as well. That's so cool. Yeah. And what's really cool about that is, like, I mean, obviously, that's our, you know, that's our really good stripe or window on the rivers. But for that beginning Angle, like, You know, Yeah. June, July, August,

you know, like, that's... You're out it. It's summer, you know,

there's a lot that's fishing good, But honestly, I mean, the heat of the summer is not always that great.

Trout fishing on say, like, the truck and the... You know what I mean? Like, you having a really good fishing in the middle of the summer's is awesome.

And to your to your point, when anybody asked me about stripe, I'm, like, you need to talk to Hogan Brown. Talk craig again. And you don't even waste your time with me. You wanna come in the spring in their fall? Okay. I'll take care of you. Yeah. You wanna come in the summer. I'm, like, you know what? You need to go up the rivers. You need you need to go see these boys because they're doing something fun. And, I, obviously, I'm sending the sticks your way. And then, yeah, If someone's like, hey. I wanna get into fly fish fishing. I'm like, let's go small mouth fast fishing. Yeah. I pretty much do half day trips during that time of year, so I'm I'm usually ending around one o'clock or so. Yeah. Before it gets too hot. Yeah. Well, and even I know when we came when we came down this summer me and the boys, like, it was hot and Chico, and it it it was very pleasant and cool down by you. I mean, it you you get a little bit of that cool

I know, delta breeze, ocean

breeze What's you're feeling up your way up towards Chico

on the small mouth up that way and their... And their willingness to feed for top water.

I mean,

the small mouth in our river are kind of a weird deal like,

I know where they're gonna be,

like,

April May. You know. And I'll take the boys out and we can get them.

They don't eat top water really well at all. Okay. You know? And you've tried to do what we basically

Absolutely. So our... Any any guesses there? Like, what... What's going on there? I think they're just...

They are

where where I know they're gonna be is I think they're staging to spawn. You know? Okay. And

I think most of their food, I think in the river, they had a ton of cray fish. You know. And so they are not

they're not looking up

as much. You know?

But again, it's... That's a weird officially where we are. Like, I I'd

come July, like,

I... If you gave me a hundred bucks, like, I probably couldn't catch one. You know Crazy... Yeah. Like, I just don't... I've done it all the way, and I was gonna tell this for the the listeners. I mean, you got Georgian gia s. You got steamboat s. You got, minor

slew, and you got the sacramento all the way up to sacramento

proper.

I've caught small mouth up and down all the way. And what I've, you know, had people do is, like, in areas, they find areas where they go out on. Paddle boards on

kayak

on, you know, obviously, boats like, you know, proper boats, you can go on or... But it to me, it's one of the more obvious fisheries

that people can go out and do, you know, in for for. For sure.

So... But I don't know above Sacramento.

You know, I I don't know either. And, you know, it's

I don't know. I mean, I'm... I guess I've done it up to what's the next thing above Sac where the feather comes in. Right? Oh, Var verona. Var verona. So I've done it as... I've done it all the way up to Var verona. Yeah. And I... I've... The wing dams. Yeah. And I'm sure if I put more time into it, I could figure it out a little better. I just...

I don't... The stripe season for me. Yeah I mean? Yeah. And that would be the same thing for me too. So I mean, there's no reason to reverse

another tactic,

besides the... I don't think we did it. But besides the ford size four to six

poppers

against the banks pretty deadly,

Another thing I've been playing with is six to eight foot liters off a floating line with jig patterns, and you can really work those rock walls. Oh, yeah. And that's just been deadly as well.

And that's kinda more of the technique that we use on the river. You know, like, banging it down the bottom of something. You know what I mean? And that... That's kinda of more the style we fish. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah.

So come September, then you roll in your Stripe seasons. Yeah. Yeah, every year changes. But, you know, I mean, as a as a rule, I tell people,

February

fifteenth till about June is is Stripe,

June through, you know, till early September

is small mouth, large mouth. Yeah. And then somewhere around September fifteenth, you know, I'll start heading out west and run into my scottsdale out there or you know? Yeah.

And

we'll start doing the stripe.

Gotcha.

And then how how long do you do the stripe or fishing in the spring?

I've generally been finished... Or in spring or the are they, the fall? The fall? Excuse me. The fall, I usually been finishing up the about the middle of December or just the week before Christmas. So I usually, Gotcha. The first week I take off to get my Christmas shopping done is the week of Christmas.

Gotcha.

And so, I I mean, that's

Now are those fish coming out

or moving into the delta? That is a great question on the... You know, I have great... Add wonderful talks with people such as yourself. I think at this point, there's no rule that those stripe follow. I Agree. My personal

opinion, and it is much younger than a lot of the, you know, you, you know, I say, Mori Hatch or Mike Costello or. You've san

Yeah. Or

They... I'm sure they all have an answer to this. My

answer to this is they're not studying them or tracking them that well. You know. So there's not a lot of knowledge there. I think they follow food, and that changes them every year. You know? It's... Yeah. Obviously, If you got more food up in the rivers, they're gonna stay up in the rivers longer. I know you've experienced that. If there's

they say there's that world series bite. If the... If there's a bunch of bay out there in the bay

around the world series time, they're not in the fall, they're not gonna come in as early. They're gonna stay there. There's almost gonna be a wall. And then it comes down to water temperatures. If the water stays really warm, they're not gonna wanna come into the delta either. Got. That said,

they do come in at least for the spring to spawn. Right? So that's spring spawn. They start working up the rivers. Sometimes they spawn way up the rivers. Sometimes they spawn middle river, meaning, like,

in the delta base. Yeah. But... I was gonna say That's. Yeah.

And and then I think it's a mix of there's also times where I'll talk to everyone.

Everybody's catching some fish, but nobody's just crushing it. I think they're just spread out evenly. Yeah.

Yeah.

It's an... It's an interesting thing.

I don't think there's a set pattern. I do believe they come in the spring to spawn obviously, so they're coming in from to the delta,

and

And then I believe when the water gets too hot,

they're either gonna go up your way into the river

or they're gonna go out into the bay because it's seventy five degrees or

warmer in the middle delta. Gotcha.

Gotcha.

And, obviously, I'll I'll find some shaker during that time, but it is really hard to find a fish, five pounds or bigger when that water gets well above seventy degrees. Oh, gosh. I couldn't even imagine. I mean, I never fish water that warm. I would be scared.

They're they're hard to find. Yeah. That's that's, you know, seventies kind of that number where you're like, oh, it's gonna get tough to find stripe. Yeah. And I should probably start thinking about large mouth and small mouths. Yeah. For sure. That's my number. You.

No.

For other people that means they go somewhere else. You know, They're like, oh, it's time to go do another beneficiary. Yeah. Yeah.

So Spending as much time as you do out on the delta. What what is I mean, I'm sure you got a pretty long list. But what are what are the species you have caught out on the delta?

Oh, so catfish.

Okay. Catfish.

We'll get x amount of salmon per fall generally? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We get those on the river in the summer too and they're I don't know. My experience with Salmon doing stripe fisher

is

they always for me a lot of times shake the hook because you strip set them, and you don't get a really good hook set on a salmon when you strip set them. Do you guys land most years?

You know, we get close. Yeah. And so I I haven't experienced what you're saying as much. It's only my theory. It's only them off. Oh, okay. Because,

they're just too hot for us to handle, and we're getting them up to the boat a lot. And if I had a proper net, we probably Yes. Yes land them, but I'm not set up to Yeah. To land salmon.

And we're on fifteen to twenty pound test, and you're pushing whether or not your rod should even be doing that.

Sometimes they'll come they'll just come up to the boat, but you know they're not done. And they're just out of reach,

and then they go crazy, and something's gotta give. And So, yeah, I've landed. You know, I land a couple of year. We used a couple of year. And...

But we don't... They don't unhook very much for us. It's really we I on. Yeah. I... I And I don't know. I have no idea. Pure theory. Like, I just

It seems like guys will stick them, you'll see them.

And then they do that kinda death roll

thing. Yeah. And

a lot of times throw the hook at that point. Yeah. One... Our hooks are are sutton out just I don't know. A little different. I've also...

I've also, like, broken so many dudes hearts because I don't have an that, and I try to do the, like, yeah. I'm gonna tail this fish at the boat. Yeah. And just fucking farm it. You know what Total... Yeah. And I can't say Haven't done that. And I... Or I miss the bokeh grip swing. You know? Like I'll do the bokeh grip to the mouth and, like, it'll slip out of the mouth over the dog teeth or something. Totally that. Totally. And you just crush your guys so jacked to go oh yeah. That hero shot. Just crush. So... Yeah. So you get the steel head,

I every once in a while, but very few steel head. Yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah.

And then other than that, you get the... You get crappy. You get, black copy.

You get some... You get some crazy blue gill that decide they can handle something that you're throwing. That's awesome.

Yeah. Comic guy call Ka Blue deal. Yeah.

And

you know, it's it But other than that, I'm not think... I'm trying to think of a bunch of other fish, but... That's about... I mean, that's a good sport Sacramento pike meadow. Oh, yeah. I have to say. Yeah. And I've been surprisingly,

I've been getting a few every year on top water on frogs. Oh, that's good stuff.

Which is exciting. Oh, heck.

And, you know, they are native, so, you know, you gotta give them their do. They belong here. They belong here. Yeah. I mean, more so than the stripe, sometimes, I guess, if you wanna argue it. Yeah. You know. So it's hard. But it's it's always exciting when they take the top water. That is cool. Yeah. I always people, you know, they'll eat a stripe or fly on the river and for for, you know, that first initial hit and pull.

You got a fish. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yeah.

So...

Well, cool man. Well, we're wrapping up here on about an hour, man, and I usually kinda like to wrap it up about an hour. What do you what do you got cooking for the the rest of the winter into the spring season anything coming up? You know, of course, I'll be using all my loo outdoors.

There you go. Yeah. There's outdoor tools. As you fill the boxes as you fill your boxes.

Shameless promotion for Luna outdoor tools to Yeah tie a ton of flies to fill fill my boxes. Yeah. We'll have the shows coming up. We got the Is c show coming up here in a couple weeks. Yeah. I'll probably get get in there, you know, and do all the visits and maybe help out in a booth or two. Yeah.

And then, of course, Pleasant.

So I know, I'm looking to be in the Far bank. Cool over in

Pleasant inn, are you gonna be over at that show? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I make my rounds probably very similar to you to all those shows and Yep. You know, hang out and see everybody.

You know? And then, of course, I use this. Oh, I got a trip coming up. I'm gonna take my dad up with

Ryan Williams. And do the Oh, good for you. Good for you. Oh, dude. So among getting on on a guided trip with you, and, Brian Williams has been on my...

He's been on my list for a couple years now. So I finally pinned pinned them down. And you're gonna take dad out there. Do some float and fly, and that... My dad lives in New Castle. So that's perfectly pretty good. Yeah.

Get them out there. Have a great time. So that's kind of on the list. And then I'll hit a few fisheries here and there, maybe I usually go down and visit Dan Bland them down in San Lewis and Okay. Meal for fun. Yeah. And then somewhere around February,

middle of February, I can't contain myself anymore. And it's

time to start hunting on the delta. And And I'll start getting the calls, you know, kind of, you know, people are like, oh, like, I wanna get out there with you. I don't care if you catch fish and, yeah. And so, yeah. That kinda early season. And then usually by March, it's all in again. You know

It's March,

April May

have been pretty consistent the last couple of years for stripe. That's awesome. Yeah.

That's a good little... That's a good little program you got. This kinda your... You kinda your downtime and you can sounds like you can do some fun stuff. I'm you're get out. I haven't been out in it. I've seen it. I've seen Ryan a few times, but you'll be able to get out in his new boat. So that's. I'm excited. Yeah. It's a pretty sweet ride. I I'm yeah. Very excited for him. I cannot thank you enough for letting me come on and talk with you Be honest, selfish sure. I just wanted to talk with you for an hour. Oh totally. I tell people that all the time. I'm like, dude this like...

You don't have to like my podcast because basically, it's just me calling my friends and having an excuse to talk to him for an hour. So... And while I have you, you know, we need to get a podcast podcasts where we get to hear all about you, you know, from start to finish.

Because I was talking... I was actually out with Patrick Mckenzie, the other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and he's like, you know, do you need do one of those podcast things, And I'm like, well, I'll I'll I'll talk to him I don't know if it's my thing. I'm gonna listen to some of them and see where I'm at. So Yeah. Podcast podcasts have been my workout, buddy lately. You Awesome.

And, but when I was talking to Patrick, and he's like, you know what? We should reverse it on him sometime. We should we should

we should get together and the three of us should interview and talk to him. And oh, yeah. Who this guy is. That's a great idea, dude. That no. That's

great idea. Hogan Brown. So

You know? So maybe that's something down the road, you know, as more people need to know who all about home him around. I just don't think I'm not interesting. But You know, You know what? I I say the same thing, Hogan. I I was excited to get on with you, but I said we leading up to them I'm like, You know what? I don't even know if I should do this thing because, like, I mean, it's like, is what we do that interesting. I don't know.

Yeah. No. I hear your brother. It it is funny though, But, no. I can't take you enough, and I gotta say eat when I moved down here in two thousand ten the support from guys like yourself, Chuck Reagan,

Kin fly shop at the time. It was Bill Kin and Yeah. All the, you know, Andy keyboards boards and the Mori hatch, You know, it was it was nice to come down out, you know, I've been doing it, like, fifteen years, but I was in a completely new world, and I gotta say that people were pretty darn supportive, and it was, you know, you gotta love this industry for that reason. Oh, yeah, man. It it's

it was always great in those early... I mean, there's not many more people

than you that I know that are passionate about what they do, you know, and it was easy to see that, you know, we just need to point you in the right direction and you'd figured out.

So... Yeah. Well, I need I needed the point. I was get a little lost. I was like, yeah wow. I'm gonna guide the American

and I'm gonna live in Sacramento and, like, I don't know how that works from where I came from. I I just don't know. Yeah.

And I know you can understand that. I mean, not wrong American. At... It's an amazing river, but I was, like, it's a different river from where I came from, and I didn't understand

how that would work. So finding the delta and the other fisheries and all the fisheries that California has to offer is pretty amazing. Oh, absolutely.

Well, cool, man. Well, thanks for coming on. I super appreciate it. And, why don't you everyone know where they can find you if they have questions or wanna know more about what you're doing?

Yeah.

So it's just Bryce ted at Bryce ted Fly fishing on both Facebook

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