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Alright. Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Barb podcast. I am your host

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So

I would like to welcome

my guest, and there's gonna be some people that are, like,

I'm running out of guests if I'm having this guy on my podcast.

Flattered. Like... But no. This guy was actually on the top of the list when I was, like, who do I wanna sit in a room with in a the back of a a fish research facility

with

he was on the short list. So I don't want anyone... You know, None of nobody, like,

I don't know anybody texting call email and sending their carrier pigeon out being, like, what the hell you're running out of fly fishing industry insiders to have on your podcast. But

I I would like to welcome my dear friend and dear friend to many of us,

mister Dominic Duran. What's happening in Fellas, ladies, listeners. Yeah. Everybody. Everybody. Right? Children. So

I the first question I wanted to ask you is,

tell us what qualifies you to be on this podcast.

Well,

the long,

the list is long,

semi I distinguished.

But

nothing qualified me. That's kind what I was thinking other than being super rad.

And

I can put up with a lot of crap. Okay. Okay. As well as dish dishes out. So... Okay. There we go. There... Yeah. In that's sixty minutes right there.

So actually, to to give everyone some contacts and introduce Dominic.

Dominic is the younger brother of probably

one of the most

legendary guides in Northern California that is unfortunately no longer with us. That is mister

gabe Duran.

And,

I spent

probably ten or fifteen years as most of the fly fishing industry did

guiding around and hanging out with Gabe. And

after Gabe passed,

six seven eight.

Two thousand thirteen...

Okay. December two thousand thirteen.

Me and Dom kinda became fast friends, and

we text talk fish,

and I wanted to have Dom because Dom is truly

a outdoors by all definition.

I mean, he owns a patio boat, but I don't hold that against him.

Just because it says party barge doesn't mean it can't be fished off of.

Yes. Where you gotta remember, they make one that's fishing specific

but it's just more expensive. Dude what is a fishing specific

barge look like? Like, you know those little kinda

cheesy

chairs that you serve... Like, seats that you sit on in the front of like, a real bass boat that you lean on? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those are great ones. Yeah. Yeah. So they have two of those on the front.

They're just little podium to to lean on. So they add a seat and a live well. Oh

okay. So, you know, if you're if you're above using, like, an old Coleman

or a yeti for a live well or going real old school and throw in a min bucket out in the. Let's be real. Just a minute. Yeah. Yeah. Ten bucket. Do a hundred percent.

Then you pay the extra, like, six seven grand, and you get those things.

And then you have a fishing party. Then it's called the bass buggy. Oh damn. Yeah Yeah. Wow. Okay. So I've seen those. They're usually old d cr and, like, I think they use those to, like, shuttle people out to, like, house boats on, like, four I actually owned one. I owned nineteen eighty seven

sun or basketball buggy. It was what introduced me to the Pontoon world.

It had a ripping

nineteen eighty seven ninety two stroke

Mer on the back. So a giant weed wack, huge. Just a giant weed wack. And smoked like,

like a nineteen forties grandmother.

And

I nicknamed it after it's maiden voyage, please start.

That was it. How long ago? Was this a family boat? This was this when you were a family man? This was me and the wife might have just got married.

And we were... She's from Yu City area, and we were living down there. Oh, so she's... That's right. She's from Hub City. So she's very familiar with the bass tracker. She's from all of her bro, Oh, which is,

you know. Yeah. Let's have a moment of silence. No one sound.

And it don't don't stab me out there. All first people.

But

it was for sale down the road and we're like, what's what's up. Let's let's...

And it was not pretty by any means, but it

we get there and it started first run with the little headphone things on the Yeah. Whatever they call those. Plunger. Yeah. To throw water in the mail. Yeah. Started first trash. So like, sweet.

I'll come. I'll come back with some cash. Yeah. You know, it was, like, twenty five hundred bucks. Yeah. Nothing. It was twenty one foot,

just a floating boat dock. And that's all they are anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Came back and then took it on its maiden voyage, Lake Or,

and it did not start.

That dude had dumped like a can of carb blast do it before he showed up.

In his defense,

he knew the tricks of the trade.

I get it started,

do have a nice little lovely early afternoon the lake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then it decides it does not want to start anymore. Like, way out in the Canyon somewhere, like, up the free west branch.

We were up there ways.

So

me being me, in the and after a bunch of swearing and, Yeah. Yeah. Wanting to kill everybody on the boat for, yeah. You know, entertaining any sort of thought that they knew what I would needed to be doing. I called the dock guy and he comes, you guys,

he's there for thirty seconds.

The...

Where you plug in off the auxiliary gas tank into the motor itself. Yeah. It just was barely hanging on. So, you. That's it. Yeah. That's it. You needed gas. Just like that was the big thing. Boom. Yeah. And I'm a fairly mechanical guy, but I was just

I was I was drinking, and I was seeing past every

easy option. You were already thinking about how you're driving down to all of her to killing this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what introduced me to the Pontoon world, and I kept going ever since

But I sold it for the exact same amount of money that I paid for.

Two not to another buddy who never used it. And he sold it to a profit to a guy in Oregon.

Wow. Yeah. So so what you're saying is if you're looking to make money,

invest in a Pontoon. About a hundred percent.

Pontoon horse trading is a thing.

And classic classic cars in pontoon butts. Hundred percent.

Like, who wants a dodge charger when you can get a nineteen eighty seven bass buggy

and make money and make money. It there in sink? No. No. No No.

Twenty one foot. That's big.

So I roll son.

I'm not a small fellow. That's true. That's true.

So I was just thinking of that. Like, you had just got Married and you're like, hey, Honey.

I got a present for you. She was into it. Well, of course, she was. She's from yeah. Yeah. Let's be honest. Yeah. So

she was, like, can you jack your truck up higher? No. Anne get this. She's she's at least practical enough to where we're not doing that.

It came from the factory that way for a reason.

Well, that... So

so back to you being a a sports. So you you...

There's probably not many people I know that do the degree of things that you do outdoors.

It was... You know,

I would say,

no as well as yes, because I'm surrounded by it. Yeah. Absolutely. People that do the exact same things that I do.

But Pops got us into, like all facets

Real young. Yeah. You know, and and my grandpa

hunted

hated fishing. Really,

but didn't hunt religiously.

Gotcha.

So my... Because is you and your dad hunt religiously. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

And so

my dad's uncles had kinda gotten him into it. Gotcha,

and

my dad got...

His nephews into it, and his nephews, my cousins,

oldest cousin is actually... I mean, he's in his fifties. Yeah. When my dad wasn't around because we lived in the Bay area at the time when we were young young. Yeah.

And they also lived down there. My cousin older cousin Todd who now works for Cda, California Deer association. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. Would take us... I mean, me and my brother, three years apart. He had no pro no ko taken us in the woods at ten and seven, And he's twenty five. Yeah. Like, let's go. Let's go. Because my dad did the exact same thing for him. Gotcha. That's how he got introduced in the outdoors. Gotcha. And then, you know, it just rolled with that obviously,

as a kid growing up, you're gonna find like minded people to With whether it be sports or whatever? Yeah. And being in Northern California,

outdoors is what you did? Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

So... Now did you... When did you... Because I know your dad worked in the Bay Area?

When did you guys... Were you born up here or did you start

We were born in beautiful.

Downtown Oakland. Oh, gosh.

Love Oakland. Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah. Eric You know, it has its... I like the a's. It has its Sparkle. I like the a's. I like the Fox theater, Fox theaters rad. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Yeah Scott Island is nice.

Fentanyl fe creamer downtown. I mean, if you like ice cream, it's about a, I like ice cream.

So, no, We were born in Oakland lived in Richmond up in the Richmond Hills.

Which sounds...

It sounds fancy. I'm sounds fancy. It's basically

a decent area for the for the bay. Okay. Okay. I mean, we we were pretty fortunate as being city kids, but we grew like, across the street from our our place. We had

they called Wildcat Canyon State. Oh, yes, sir. Okay. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. And so we were able to just cruise across the street and... And that's pretty up there up but the. Oh. I've been up in a wildcat cat Canyon. You know? So we grew up right across from there, and that's where we... We had an awesome neighborhood so to speak. Yeah. You know,

wasn't anything to worry about in that area. You didn't get jumped into a gang or no. You said to go down the hill, Not very far away. Yeah. Get me wrong. I mean, just a lot of Richmond that's not pretty, but

you get up and where we were, and it was, you know, it was... Yeah. It was no... For sure. So after

was, like, right after the Loma P earthquake. Oh, yeah. Okay. Eighty nine. Right? Yeah. Eighty yeah nine My...

Parents got tired of pay in tuition for private school. My grandparents had been living

up in gerber area. You're a private school kid. Wow. I don't... For a couple of years. Okay. Okay. Through fourth third grade. Oh, jeez. Let's be honest if you're in the Bay area and you can make it happen

in your kids a private school. Yeah. I've heard that. I've heard that. I mean, nothing against public school in the Bay Area, but

You know. Yeah. Not sleep. We'll leave it there. Yeah.

So,

mom and dad, like, well, let's move up to gram grandpa place. They had a little ten acre piece of property with a bunch of stuff on it. So,

we cruise up there and kinda never looked back and the poor old man

commute. I was just gonna say then your dad commute. Yeah. Luckily, we had he had a a little rental property, a duplex down in in San Pablo. Gotcha. Which is basically, they're all the same town in Yeah down that area anyway. Yeah. So he would rent one half, and he would stay in the other half. Gotcha. Now would he be gone all week? And be gone all week. He'd leave Monday morning, like, two thirty three o'clock in the morning? Oh, man. Come home Friday night

late after work. Yeah. Be home for two days and then two days at home was

work around the house and then during hunting season and whenever fishing was in

india going at the time. Yeah. That's what we did. Gotcha. That's interesting because you... I mean, your dad's got more energy than most people, forty years.

He was younger. I, you know, he was fortunate to, you know, work three thousand hours a week.

Yeah. And then was able... He luckily, he retired

fifty

six. Yeah. So, you know, fifty six years old. I mean, he was charging. I mean, he still does. Yeah. Yeah.

So,

yeah. No. Definitely yeah. So when did... So you guys... You came in the hunt. And your dad, I think if your dad is I mean, your dad fish is what? Two days a week. Now,

How many days you go out to the lake. When Coke hidden on whiskey town? Yeah. It's

at minimum five days a week. Yeah. Like, he's all over it. Yeah. Yeah him and no No one of his retired buddies,

You know, they both have similar jet boats, big big sled. Yeah. And they just swap in between the two of them, like, it's my turn to go. So Yeah. Between the two of them and and he's an older guy too so

gives him something to do. What is ko season?

Ko... Well, it's it's threw it's through the summer, but then it has a huge winner bite too. Yeah. Like, I don't get to go because here's the thing. Is is he's turned into the Crab fisherman? He won't fish on the weekend. No. We fishing is... No. He doesn't do it. No. No. Because I'm always like, I'd love to bring the kids up. He's got off fish Monday through Friday. That's I'm like, you realize

kids go to school. And I think... Oh He even even... He knows. I'm gonna say no, but he does it to be nice. He'll be like, dude... You think you can... You wanna go fish on Wednesday? I'm like, do would know. Do you wanna pay my mortgage?

Like, yeah. Just... I'll jump right on that. Yeah. And then if it's if if it's a... It's only a a weekend

beneficiary

if the only granddaughter, my daughter who's five wants to go. At, like, three in the morning. And she's not stoked about waking up for... Yeah. That's... Yeah. I've... I've... Put some pictures on the inter web,

but as long as you take snacks and she gets to hold the fish she's in. Yeah. But still, that's the only time. Yeah. I know. He laid out the C program for me once to take my kids, and I'm like,

I'm doing it in my mind and I'm like, I'm have to like, get a hotel room in redding. Like, this is a

destination trip. Yeah. Yeah. It's a... I'll beat your house at four thirty. Yeah.

And ko are a weird thing. Like, I've... I've, like, I don't have the knack for it. Like, I enjoy going with them? Yeah.

With... When it comes to that type of thing, like, I enjoy being deck hand guy more than actual fishing. Yeah. Like, I'll sit in a boat and, you know, drink cold bear with big mike Right fish for

freaking blue gill. Right. But, like, Ko a it's a finicky thing. It's a weird deal. Luckily. He's got it, you know, Fully dialed. Yeah. Totally. But I don't have the knack for even they're so soft mouth. Yeah. So getting him in,

I mean, it's like, I'm like, pops I reeling slow enough. He's, like, no slower. I'm like, I can't go any slower. This is freaked to me out. Well, that's the whole thing Like. But... And it's

You... Even though it's that slow paced for... So to speak. Yeah. It's still exciting at any time. I mean, you're still catching a fish. Oh, no. I totally. Like, I totally get it. Like, I... My experience with coconut is growing up in

like Grass selling nevada a city.

And there's a bunch of coconut lakes up there. There's a bunch of dudes that, like, like Bucks Lake and stuff. Yeah. Like, you got bucks, like, all the Tahoe area stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that guys that just, like,

trolling is their thing. Yeah. And they got these giant freaking, you know, twenty seven foot front windshield,

big two fifties on them with down rigor that looked like they could pull up, you know, a fucking boat off the bottom of the lake.

And I'm like, wow, these are serious shit, you know? And then, like, you know, I pulled into the market with my, you know, little thrift boat, and I'm like.

You know? And then, like, I... I knew they were coke fishermen, but I I...

Then I found out that, like,

a ko trophy is like,

thirteen or fourteen inches.

Yeah. It's... I mean... And I'm, like, you're average... Like, I think you're, like, on a whiskey town You're like, twelve. Yeah.

Average. Dude these guys are running these just monster boats. Oh yeah. Chasing, like, twelve inch fish. But you'll... They'll throw... They're throwing eight rods out at one. It's a spider weapon. And it's... Like, kudos to, like, the guides. Like, you know, you have... Kirk Porter Carr. Yeah. There report Cheryl. I don't know how to pronounce it last name. But, I mean, eight rods. Like, I look at my pops. When he wants to throw two rods on one down ringer I'm like, that's all you. Yeah. That's a dumpster fight. I'll hang with the one

over here, you tangled the two and the kicker. Yeah. I'll do this. Yeah. And then I look at guys like that on on Mic town eight rods out. Yeah. Four people on. Yeah. And he's doing it all himself. Yeah. I'm like,

That's... I mean, that's skill. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. And they're all at different depths and they gotta come... It's... Yeah. There's all lot going... But there's so much strategy and stuff going on there. That like percent the idiot in me that looks at that and is, like, you're doing what for twelve fish.

You know what I mean? But every day... Oh, just stacking them. Just...

I mean...

Well, and then once, once I remember when I was like, in my twenties,

somebody had some some smoked ko.

Like in the boat when I was guiding. And I had it. I ate it. And I'm just like good. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. Roger that. I get this now. And it sucks because I was literally digging through the freezer looking for a package.

And my dad when he does it. He'll have it one of two ways. Yeah. The way that everybody likes it. And Luckily enough. He'll throw me some that I I dig it a little... I like it a little drier. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah dry. Yeah. Yeah The reason I just kinda like it that way. Yeah. So, like, the last package that I had in the freezer was that was

a little on the dry side, and I didn't wanna introduce somebody

to, like, what they call ko candy. Yeah. With my style of it. Yeah. You want the... I wanna give them the nice, you know, oily... Yeah. And it's it's super good. Oh, dude. Somebody gave me some, and it was like, all of a sudden I was like, oh, I get it now. Oh, yeah. This is just to eat. Yeah. This is pure food. And it's funny because the amount of fish that he catches and smokes.

It's... There's never any round.

That's funny. You know, either... He's, you know, we're eating it or he's giving it out and it's gone. What what is the limit on coke? It's five five per day. Five per day per person. Brett. Gotcha. So I mean, you get five fish. You got

Right? Couple... You got you gotta you got a batch.

Don't break anything. Big dumb animal.

But, yeah. No. It's... And it's

it's gone. Like... Yeah. No. Got it, and it's

it's gone. Well, you got to... I mean, if you're efficient. I mean, that's that's like just enough.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Totally. And mean and it's good like, you know, in conventional ways. Like,

pants here or... I was gonna say, like, you can grill it too. Right. At a hundred percent, but I think it's just at at the rate that he catches it, like, smoking is a way to go. Yeah. And... And he brightens it. Does the whole Brine. Yeah, he's probably got it down to a science. He's got it down and there's some honey involved the last, like, little step Yeah. And I don't know.

I'm sure he got it from somewhere and then just kinda tweaked it. But he's got a smoker,

specifically, he will only

smoke fish with that. That makes sense because it probably stinks the snot out of the spot. Yeah with all the oils and green. I mean, a hundred percent. Yeah. Because, like, I I don't do cherokee in then.

That's that's for that's for coke.

Like,

you do you pop dude not love you. I mean, that's that's it.

So

so that's his when did you get into fly fishing?

Because

I've seen your dad fly fish.

He's And he's by no means a lifelong

life fisherman. No.

Both and oddly enough. Like,

gabe and myself. We started around the same year.

Gabe just just got a lot better at it. He just took to it. Yeah and just went with. Was kinda being serious. And that and joking at the same way Yeah. But no. Like, he and he turned that and he he...

Like, right away, wanted to turn that into his was life. So... Yeah.

Me, I just thought it was fun. He was like in an another thing to do outdoors. Right. So we started...

Gabe moved to Montana to Bose

when he was twenty. Okay. Yeah. He will moved out there and he'd go to school. He wouldn't moved out there to go to school. Yeah. So I remember going out there for his twenty first birthday. Okay. Which would was in May. Yeah. You know, me, mom and dad cruise out there,

and did the whole birthday celebrating, and then did... Yellowstone. We we hadn't been out there yet since he had call.

And I wanna say that that's literally that weekend

he bought a fly rod just Really. Yeah. And that... Like, but we were up there. You know, we all... We took some some spin rods out. Yeah. Yeah. And caught some fish or whatever, and then

I wanna say that's when he started. So gabe didn't start fly fish until he was twenty one. No. Holy you shit. Yeah.

You know, and, obviously, you're in in Bo in Montana. That's what's there. Yeah. Like I know and I think he had maybe either had some apprehension or

you know, a little bit of pride from coming from where he came from. Yeah. I don't need to freaking fly fish. Yeah. A drag flat fish.

Lame.

You know, totally. You know? So and then... So after that happened, I graduated high school

and I went to live with them just for the summer. U. And that's when I started. So that was, like, two thousand. Gotcha. So, you know, at this point, I've been doing it for, however long night, twenty twenty years twenty years. So... And I'm not by any means.

I mean, I can I can angle

so speak?

You're you're alright. I'm alright.

You know, I don't and Not... I don't get enough, plug is. Yeah. No. I mean, not on the bass buggy? No. It's not a bass buggy no. It's a it's a party barge.

Does that have a trolling motor?

I have one for it. I need to build a bracket to Oh, okay. Okay. To

be able to manage that.

It does. It's

it's a called an or.

And throw that anchor if it gets too windy.

But, yeah. So, no. He... We didn't

start until until late in life and my dad probably didn't start,

like,

specifically fly fishing and,

probably until Gabe started, like, guiding full time.

Wow.

You know. So he's even

behind me. Yeah. You know, and he hit it shows. And at that point, he had fifty years or forty eight years of bad habits to... Or not bad I shouldn't say bad habits. I would paid money to be in the boat, the first day your dad goes out with Gabe. I would've have fucking paid money to see that shit show.

Do you remember that? I mean,

I can I can remember,

like, would I remember the most of, like,

when when once dad started to realize he could do it a little bit? Yeah.

Is we always used to go when Gabe was gotten full time, like, we'd always kinda had a tradition to fish the day after thanksgiving. Yeah. Whether we cruise up to the Trinity or

we just go to the sack at the was bad whatever. Yeah. And I remember, we... That year we went on... We went up to the Trinity, and it was it was a good day for steel hit. Like, Yeah. We probably voted twelve fish. Wow fifteen fish. Yeah You know, and that's when even...

Even gabe was, given pop some trouble. Was like hey, you're not too you're getting little better.

You go so Know, You're you're doing alright. So, you know, it's still... It took it took some time. I still give them some shit when we're efficient. Oh, yeah. We're fishing about together. But you know it's fine, Pops. You stay in the front. All fish back here man. I can I can handle the back of the boat? Well, he is so committed to, like, gear fishing. Right. That, like, I would have

be, like,

hey, Dad, you need to learn how to do this conversation. Right And the, like, initial attempt when he just is horrible at it. Well, that I would have loved to have seen the frustration in the, like, kitty gloves that gabe is putting on to deal.

Well, that's the thing is I... What I do remember is

my dad wanting to go, like, I... I'm ready to fly their steel head. Yeah. And gabe like, no. He's like, I'm not... No offense pops, but I'm not gonna waste my time.

He's like, because you were gonna have a horrible day.

You're gonna be mad at me for saying shit, and Gonna be tired to fixing your shit.

So we're just we're not gonna do it yeah.

You know? So... Yeah. We had he had gotten him to a point to where he could fish the Trinity. And then he's, like, well I wanna on a fish coast. Yeah. And gabe like,

no.

Ain't have.

You know.

And now now he finishes the coast six times a year. Yeah. You know, six trips a year. Yeah. Multiple days at the time. Yeah. So he's probably better on the coast that I am. I've never been. Yeah. I imagine he's getting it down. You know. So he's he's got it down. He catches fish and loses his fish and Yeah. Just like everybody else that fish is on the coast. Totally. So I mean, he's by no means...

Out there whipping it around, like, the likes of a Chris King or somebody like, Oh no. Not Shout out to Chris.

Shout out to the legend. Oh my god.

Oh, Scott blush.

Yeah.

But he's over there and he's, you know, you know, a fish with which fishes with the boys over there and then yeah they treat him good. Oh, yeah. Treat them good, which is which is all the matters. Yeah. For sure. You know? So what... So you go out to Montana,

gabe gabe graduates and comes home.

Well, no.

So I went for the summer, and then I move... I end up moving up there when I'm twenty as well. Okay. So... And then that's when that's when he's

finishing going to school.

Not graduating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But done going to school just working,

and then, like, in the midst of, like, telling

boss loved working for and doing some stuff that he dug doing and build all custom log homes. Yeah.

And, like, Yeah couple of our... His buddies, our buddies

were guides up, you know, going and guide up in Alaska Yeah. Every year.

So... And they didn't necessarily guide in Montana Yeah. By any means, they did the same thing that kinda ski buttons do, But Versa. Yeah. So you know, they worked around bummed around Bose and

went to Alaska for the summer. Yeah. So

one of them finally convinced him to go up, and

he went up to

the lag

up there and Yeah They kinda did both. They did fly fishing, and they did gear fishing for Sam and they did Yeah. The whole nine.

So it was, like, at that point to where he told his boss. Hey, man. I'm gonna take some time off. I'm gonna go back to school.

But really, it was, like, hey dumb. If you see Chad.

Don't tell I'm in last.

Like, whatever man, Right?

So.

So... Yeah. So that was, like,

when I was turning twenty one, so

thirty eight now. Gotcha.

So that's when that's when he started... Like, that's when the guide bug hit him. Yeah. So that's, like, literally,

that's when he started turning it into a profession. Yeah. And, you know, obviously, you're starving for the first, however many he. Years. Yeah. Because somewhere in here, he went down to South America too. Right. So,

you know, move back

after doing all that, and then going up there for a couple years, finally moved back to California.

So he wanted to do it there. You wanted to do it here.

Years And

low and behold, the way he got to go to South America

was actually one of my dad's best friends growing up. Oh,

who is just a a carpenter by trade. Mh.

But fly fish forever. Yeah. Ended up going,

kinda having, like, being like a liaison for this lodge

down in Chile. Like, kinda finding people. Yeah. Kinda of find head hunt. And, like, Yeah. Yeah. So he sent got a ahold of my brother and send him down there. So that's how he ended up going down to Chile. Interesting. And then he ended up having two buddies that were guiding in Argentina. Gotcha same time. Gotcha.

So that's what started that. And then pretty much when he came back from that

is when it was

you know, he was guiding two hundred days a year. Yeah because he is the time. Yeah.

That... He guided more than most people. Yeah. He he took every trip he could possibly get. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's when most...

Most other things took, like, a back backseat seat. He's, like, he hunted just as much as Eye hunt now. Yeah.

And then, like, he just didn't have time for that anymore. Yeah. That's had... When he had time for it, it was, like, a weekend or Yeah. I got two weekends here. Let's... I can go hunt for two weeks. Yeah. Because I... When I was always talking to him,

it was

all fishing. Like... And then seeing you and your dad talk about hunting, it was different because that was not...

I mean, Gabe always had a little redneck in him. Hundred percent. So there's was definitely guns and all that stuff. Yeah. But, like, it was he was not up a passionate hunter.

And he was really good from my, like, take on it. Right. And he's it's super successful on totally. Till, like, you know, killed animals whenever he hunted. Yeah. You know, killed killed a couple elk with his bow.

You know, he's these he's he's done it all. Yeah. But, yeah. No. It was it was a hundred percent fishing. Yeah. And that was

super And whether, you know, in all of you guys the way that you do that. Like, you don't get to fish that much. No. Yeah. Like, you entertain. Yeah. Like you hospitality industry. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Like, you... I'm a professional

hospitality.

You babysit. Yeah

unfortunately, and I'm one of the clients. So you babysit. You babysit guys all day. Oh, for sure. You literally bring us lunch in snacks.

Well, well,

I make you bring lunch. That's right.

Well, if, you know,

It's not a bad deal.

So... But, yeah, No. He was and and oddly enough

when you're that into it,

you you're not just in it for the fishing anymore. No. Because you're not doing that. No. You're experiencing

other people having

possibly the time they're life. Yeah. And interacting with

probably some assholes, but a lot of cool people or else you wouldn't continue to do it. Yeah. No. I I I... It it is

it's funny because

mean and your brother were the exact nearly months apart the same age. And when I first met him,

it was kinda transient because it was in between that, like,

that he came home, and he was around for a while. Right. And then he was gone. Right. You know, and I don't... I think he went to Argentina South America or something.

And then when he came back,

he, I was in my.

I think we were, like, our late twenties.

He was living in chico a little bit or come coming down here to work at fish first and then he... He was living up there Yeah. Red bluff, but Yeah. He was all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. Working at Home Depot. Yeah. He was all over the place. And he always... I always looked at him and I'm like,

why... What what the fuck are you doing? Like,

Yeah what the fuck man.

And that I got to spend a ton of time with him as, you know, the years went on, and it was always, like,

every time I would think about

fuck this this sucks. I get burned out. I'd look over if we're in boats or somewhere to just be like,

Motherfuckers is having so much fun.

What the fuck? I dude. Know. And he loved that. Oh, yeah. I've never been it. Oh, fuck. Is. He loved he loved calling and complaining about? People. Oh, yeah. But then, you know, obviously, loved the people that... Yeah, you know, kept smile on his face. Totally. Totally. You know, And he loved, like, my big thing was always like, I'd be driving if I were driving a redding or something like. Yeah. I'd see it pick up with a drift boat. Like, okay.

I need to run the sky off the road?

I I'll call them or text and be like, white ford

blue plaque. What do you want me do with that? Nice fine. Let them go.

That's so trying to open up some dates for you.

Well, it's so funny because the beautiful thing about your brother was that, like,

he

everybody liked Gabe.

Like, Gabe was in the in the, like, the period of guiding, I think, where, like...

It was the kinda rise of the independence. Right. You know what I mean? And, like, it was a competitive time and and

there was, you know, fist fights at both boat ramps. And, like, people fucking hated each other Right And, like, you know, there's no bigger ego than a bunch of fly fishing guys. Right Right? Like,

put everybody liked Gabe. And it's a testament to gabe too because you like, think about now

and you talk about Gabe... And gabe was everybody's best friend. Yeah. I could everybody's like, love gabe. Yeah. You know, hung out with him so much. Yeah. I'm like so did I, but I never met you.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So that's funny. I need to run them off their road.

I would do that constantly. And I still do it today. Like, Yeah. When I fish sc with you and we've seen we've seen a we've seen a rig in the park little them Oh, yeah Dude. We'll see, I'm different than gay game I'll be, like, yeah, fucking slash A

that is. Yeah.

Let me come on.

Just trying to drum up some business.

Just trying keep the mortgage paying a kid.

I got kids that wanna go to college. Maybe.

Yeah, Maybe community.

So

But, yeah. No. He was he was rad for that. Like... Yeah. He was definitely...

He he transcend all scenes and was,

I don't think anyone would ever have anything bad to say about Gay, which is...

There's not many people in the fly fishing industry that that can be said about. Yeah. And he just... He had... He had in some of his best friends that aren't in the fishing community. So his best friends growing up. Yeah. There is redneck as they get. Oh, dude, I've met some of them. Yeah. You had... Like, oh.

Like, it is. So, I mean, and he he could

he could swing into any group.

Totally. You know? I was surprised when we did the first... When we did the first deal had tournament, and I met some

Gabe friends.

I'm like,

where the fuck did these guys come from? Like straight out of the hills of red book like dude I'm like.

I'm good god.

Run deep.

Well, and that's the thing. I remember gabe tell me once... He was a claim.

Yeah. We all are.

Some... Yeah, My dad went in

to his chapter, which I think chapter twenty, which is actually up near you. Oh, yeah. Course. Say, yeah, They do their doing of Scott's. Yeah were. Yeah. So he did it when we were young in the Bay Area.

And then when gabe moved back to Montana or back from from Montana to California.

Myself gabe one of my buddies and another one of our good buddies. Yeah. We all went in on the local chapter where we had other buddies in it is. Yeah. Yeah. So dude you got... If you if you think you're gonna fish in

Trinity County,

and not have that.

Tv sticker either on your pickup or your boat,

you're... You're crazy. You know, it's funny.

Your your your windows won't get broke. Like, I that's a brother. Yeah. It's a brother. Dude. So it's funny. I I will never forget this. So

I was sitting at Clearwater lodge, and me and gave were sitting on the couch after.

And

I grew up in nevada a county and, like, I didn't really know what the clamp were, but, like, I knew, like, I I didn't know. They're heavy up there. Oh, they're heavy. They're thick steve dude. Like, and I had no clue what it was. And I was telling gabe them, like,

Hey dude, like,

I was floating down the Hub River, the other day I was guiding and there's this county park and it it... Our listeners probably noticed it's sick more Park, and as she kinda come start coming down the stretch or river.

There's like picnic benches and shit up in the trees and

I start coming down the river and I see, like,

dudes like, head down cashed out on these picnic benches. I and then I I start looking and there's dudes, like, on the ground,

like, just like,

like somebody went through with, like, a machine gun and just laid waste.

You know what I mean? And the farther you get down into the bank and you get into this park

there is just dude screaming and yelling and there's more bodies on the ground

everywhere. And one of my clients is like, oh, there must be a clamp or get together or something up there. I'm like,

what the fuck are these clam all about? And so I'm sitting on the couch and I'm, I'm talking to gabe and I'm like, man... Fuck, I know... Have you ever heard of that and he looked at me he's like, it's like, oh, yeah.

I'm like,

you're fucking cali game and he he's like,

that goes off on the whole process how we got jumped in, and I'm just sitting there with, like, my fucking jaw hitting the floor. I'm just like, oh fuck. It's a historical society. Yeah is. He it's.

He explained to me that they paid pay for a lot of the plaques. Yeah. On the side of the road. Look like, it's it's kinda tongue and cheek to say they're historical society, but it's kinda true at the same time.

Because wherever the chapter might be located. However, broad Yeah territory might be.

So they will find things that might be

historically old, a park that might be turning a a hundred. Oh, okay. We have a park that's...

Or a building that's only, like,

an easy one to to, like, point out is, like, the old, like, the little city at Ham. Mh. Yeah. Right on the river. So that's our chapter. Well, there's a the old jail house from when to Ham Yes the county in Tame County. It's right there at the intersection. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Right next to that park. Yeah. So in at that time, it was like, it's hundred and fiftieth anniversary. So, like, when we went in, that's what we were plaque so to speak. Gotcha. So, like, we, you know, we'd either...

Donate money to the whoever's taking care of that. Yeah. So the proceeds from what we call it doing, which is when you get together and either, get new people in or the other people that are already members hang out by, you know, by shit. Yeah. And eat and drink and do all that. They take a little bit of those funds and make a plaque and we'll pla it and then donate a little bit of money to the for the park. Gotcha. So they'll do it for all sorts of historical sites all over California. It's a big California thing, Like, there's a couple chapters elsewhere.

Gotcha mostly California, and it stems from the gold rush. Gotcha. It started as, like, a historical society to

to raise money for widows and. Yeah. I looked that up. Like, I looked it up, and I had a lot more respect. Right. Gabe than I previously had. And now and now it's... I mean, there's some, you know, some of them are a little rough around the edge.

And the Yeah. The things that they do to you to get in are a little bit Risk gay. Yeah. No. That's. It sounded horrible. It just straight up sounded horrible. But... And then it's it's kinda one of those and, you know, probably no different than any f eternity

after the haystack is done. Yeah. You get to witness it. Gotcha. Take place if you wanna Yeah. Yeah about. Yeah. And it gives you that feeling like, it feels real good and not be on that end. Yeah. Yeah. There's a little satisfaction there I imagine, like if I didn't take it like that when I was going through it. Was way fucking tougher with you.

You know, whether you totally.

So, yeah. It it's kind of a it's a definite

redneck thing to be. Oh, absolutely,

but it's like,

I'm kinda... I I feel cool and not cool, but... Oh, no. You can say cool because if I if I had the Ac ecb on the back of my truck, I'd be like, I'm the motherfucker motherfuckers. Yeah. You know? You'll. And you'll get the little symbol going down the road from other clamp and stuff. See. No. I... Like, I was really tempted when Gabe was talking about it to be like, book I'm in. It's.

Well, but

I also... Then he went into, like, the thing and I'm like, god

no. I don't need to do that.

I'm good. I'm good.

Because he would... We would always do that red left Mel float. Right? You know, that was that was... I'd always see gabe on the red buffalo Molina float. And he would always try to talk me into going into that bar. Yeah. Right Not bar ninety nine. Yeah. Which was, like in a clamp ball like, when we went through,

our our initiation started there. Like, we signed up there. Yeah. Red and let's... We're, like... So you have to obviously have somebody sponsored you so to our... My dad sponsored all of us, all four of us that we're going in. Mh. And that's where start. Yeah. And we're... We started to default a little information. We started out a long highway ninety nine,

singing

at just singing at the top of our lungs, swing low sweet chariot. Yeah. Okay. And then barking at red trucks when they drove by. Oh, I mean, that's not bad. You know, that's That part man. That's super easy.

Alright. I can do that after for few. I'm picking ups and picking up cigarette butts out of the

out of the parking lot. That's kinda disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. You know. That's pretty That's free Covid. That's pre. Free Covid. Pre Covid. And then, you know, that do you think the clamp have

adjusted

their policies for Covid. Why, I don't think they can get it.

I I don't ninety percent of them don't have Internet so

they don't know what their real by loss are.

Sorry, guys. They don't they don't have an Instagram.

I don't know. We could look it up. I... I'm gonna look it up lunch. I would say, like, the Or and actually your area, like, the chapters are huge.

Well, I remember it might have social media

might.

It's... I I'd throw it out there that they probably do. Wow. Well, because they got, like,

the they have to promote the good work. Right. So that when they

just

completely

turn a county park into, like, a war zone Right. Of drinking. Right. They can... Well, we generally do the drinking portion

like, the du sport, like... Yeah. The h all that generally done on private property. Okay. That... That's a Like.

Before everybody gets going, kinda go by the area that we're gonna be plaque. Okay. Because that's usually when we unveil the plaque. Like, Gotcha. Okay. Here it. Yes. That's again we service. And then we go back to the private property

because most of the things are... Yeah. Yeah. You're not. Yeah. That's not that's not public property activity. No. It's not. It's not. You don't want. Like You don't want

Karen over there pushing your swing over there. Done Oh, god. Bad idea. Yeah. Well, that's good. Because I I I was always curious about it. And I think if I probably had kept guiding on the Trinity, I probably would done it.

Because... Which is do it now. It's probably really easy now. With Covid. I mean, if they with Covid, I remember going to a couple after the fact

and was, like, disappointed, like,

these guys aren't doing anything.

Okay guys.

That guy's not suffering at all.

So what you're saying is I got a window. You... There's a... There was a small window to where a guy could become a clamp

and wear the same clothes home that he showed up.

When we went in, that was not my case. Oh, no. Gabe told me all about it. I'm just... I, you know, it's like, and then,

and then,

and then the the best part of it was, at the end of the day, they had a garden hose

hanging from a tree. With a shower had attached to it. Okay. And there was, like thirty of us that went through. Yeah. And that's where everybody was expecting to get cleaned up. Yeah. Well, the four of us are, like, we're on a piece property right next to the river. Yeah.

Let's do that. Yeah.

Instead.

Where we were,

it's just... It's thirty feet. We were holding on to tree roots from a cut from a cup bank, trying not to get swept down River wall we got cleaned up.

But after you go through the crap that we went through,

worried about some fifty degree water versus a water hose. Yeah line. Yeah. No. Make it up. Yeah. Make good. Yeah. Over it.

Oh, that's funny. So yeah. So, yeah, the clamp. Lovely it. Yeah. That's it's an interesting.

That's an interesting. Sometimes as they say you gotta do some redneck next shit. Oh, I'm all I'm all aboard. I'm all aboard. You're coming straight at a rough ready. Yeah. I mean, I I am

from Raf red. I know. The Republic. The Republic of the Republican.

Like, Texas doesn't have shit. On red. No. I mean, we succeeded for, like, three days. Boom. Yeah. You know, Northern College state Jefferson. Right. Bring it. Come on. Until you succeed for three days from the United States State of Jefferson,

I ain't interested.

I don't think you wanna succeed. I think you just wanna be added.

Yeah. That me... That shows you how serious they are. Right? You know?

So what do you got coming up this fall for Hunting?

Usually,

well, just California stuff. Yeah. Late season,

deer tag they're Easter red bluff up in the wildlife area, mig hunt. Yeah.

Usually, last year did did Wyoming ante and deer. Yeah. So my cousin was trying to talk me to go an ante hunting. Yeah. It's fun. And and then he

he explained the whole process, and then... Like, I remember you telling me how much meat you actually get out of an ante envelope, and I'm like, that's a lot of work for a little meat. It's okay because you can get a lot of tanks.

Well, that's what my cousin was saying. I'm like,

but

He's like, talking can get

we'll kill bunch of. Yeah. I'm like,

it's still not that much meat.

You ate yours in, like, a month or two. Well, it was Covid, though. Oh, so I went through...

I killed four large game animals last year. Okay. So I killed a a a deer in California. Yeah. Then I killed three animals in Wyoming. You killed

a buck ante envelope, a dove ante envelope in a dough white tail. Okay.

So It I had all of that to non

during lockdown during lockdown, not having to worry about buying any other meat. So you were ready for... You were ready for this. So, like, it it came at a perfect time. Yeah. You were ready for the lockdown. The freezer was stocked. Yeah.

All you were missing was, like, you know, a freaking costco bottle a lip from all that red meat.

Just

sn it as just eat red...

You just... You put it in salt. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. It's fine.

Spring car. Yeah.

But, no. I I try to... I try to be good, and I go...

I do not to state trip either for Elk or something of that nature every other year. Gotcha. And then in the off years, I'm nice, and I do a nice family vacation.

For the wife in the kingdom? Yeah. Yeah. What are you guys doing? So this... Well, we were we were going to hawaii in November.

Okay. But Hawaii has a shit ton of stipulation. Yeah. You gotta like, be locked down for, like, a week. Right? If you have to get a Covid test

Seventy... And the results within seventy two hours of your flight. If not, you can fly, but you have to quarantine fourteen days. Oh, but I don't I don't have that much vacation time. So

work. We're gonna have to talk to southern in Pacific about that. We might have a station this year. Oh

but that being said, I can get away with a fancy vacation for my daughter being just a visit to any hotel with a pool.

Dude. That's it. God bless kids. Right? That's that's wants to do. Dude my kids? My kids. I could be like,

So straight up, like, last last fall, I took my kids.

It... It's kind of like an every other year

situation now where me and my dad take them back to Not dame for an not dame game.

And you we make all this. It's it's a big deal. You know you go back Wednesday, fly in, do the whole thing. They're more excited about the freaking hotel. I know. Kids love hotels. I... And I stayed in a hotel for so much of my life for work. Yeah. That like,

I don't I don't dislike them. I just know the ins and outs of them. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm like, but, yeah, she's just like, like, we went hell but fishing last weekend and Stay a hotel for one night. And she was legit bummed out when like, she found out we were staying. I wanna stay in a hotel. She's like, she didn't give a crap about the fist. No. She could care less about any of it.

Well, I just want hotel. Wants to sleep like, in a bed that someone else has slept in. Yeah. Like it's funny because I the hot tub. That's it. Yeah. That a lot of people have sat in. Oh, yeah. A lot. Yeah. Like, I... And it's funny because I even explained it to my twelve year old I'm like you're twelve. Like, you're gonna understand this. I like laid it out for him. I'm like,

do you realize?

Like, how many bodies do you do you understand that? Like, let me talk to you through this. And he's just looking at me, like, Don't care Pop. I don't fucking care. No. I wanna fucking... This is fucking cool. Throw that towel on the ground. They'll bring me a new one tomorrow. I'm, like,

Dude what? Why? What's wrong with you?

Hotels man. Yeah. I just don't understand it. I like, look at a hotel My god damn it.

I mean, it depends. I mean, I look at, you know, Tomb Boat at motel six. Yeah. And then I go,

Yeah.

Probably gonna be pulling out the l. Yeah. Well, I mean, you're gonna get a skin rash. Just a staff infections. No be yeah Fine.

You're gonna be watching your body in the mirror very closely. That being said the amount of hotels I've stayed in, which is thousands of nights and hotels. Yeah.

Never once have been bid by Bed bug.

Knock on some wood.

Wow...

And I've stayed in some shit.

Oh, no. I've stayed in some shit too. And somehow,

I haven't. Like, I've even, like, I... And to be honest with you, I haven't either.

And I look back on it, and I'm, like, when we were touring, like musicians when we were in bands and touring and living in... Hands, it's like, we would

sleep in the

cheapest hotel we could find and put like, two bands

in there in a room. Like ten dudes. Like cord, I mean, it looked, you know, like a slave ship. Hands on the floor. Like bodies stacked next to each other. You know?

And, yeah. I've... You know, come to think of it. I mean, I've surprised. Like, I've had plenty of experience with guys, like, on the group that I would, like, on the crew that I'd work with like the bed books. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I check every night, like, because you gotta be sneaky, go in there and flip the mattress up before you turn the. Had buddies get, like, fleas and yeah. And I'm like, bro, either that or I just... You just don't taste good. Don't taste good.

I don't know.

Mosquitoes love me? Really, because see, my wife gets bitten by everything.

I never get bit. Dude I get mosquitoes and me and the daughter get mosquitoes like crazy. Really? They love me.

Sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's... Yeah. I could see that. You know. Yeah.

So so what's this year? You just got in state stuff this state this state this year. Yeah. Nothing

too fantastic. Now do you bird hunt at all? I used to...

Like, we used to always, like, Pheasant hunt and Yeah turkey out and stuff like that.

Just haven't really duck hunting deer getting a duck hunting? No. Because I already bow hunt, fly fish and play golf. So, like, another

expensive hunting yard. Yeah. That's kinda why I never got into it. You know? That and,

like, I remember going with, like, a die hard duck hunter when I did live in Montana. It was yeah twenty below, and we're just sitting in a blind here in life. It's very sedentary.

I've never been able to into, like, the drinking of coffee and the eating of jerky and bullshit? Yeah. But like, we can do that on the couch. On the couch. Watch and football. Hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and I got buddies that are... Die hard with it I'm like. Guys are it, man. One of my one of my former students had him on the show. He's... I mean, he's turned into this. That's all the guy does. Is guy Duck on. Man. Like, in six seven days

that I'm not... Like, not that I don't appreciate it or anything, like,

but yeah. I don't I wake up early every day. Yeah. No. But no. So how was Hal fishing? Hal of fishing was tough. Have you done that book? I never have a of. Okay. So have you ever gone and done the like, party boat thing? I've done the the big party boats for, like, Salmon offshore. Okay. See. I've never even done that, And I really want to do it. Salmon is is, you know, like, I was fortunate. I went on two trips that were booked like, for a company. Gotcha. So, like, we were there new everybody on board. Yeah. Yeah And then... We've done a couple

trips on, like, six pack boats for Rock fish at Trinidad, which is rad, because you just get six people. Yeah. I wanna do that. That's where it's at. Yeah. How this hall fishing was actually pretty cool The boat. It was a big boat. He only did ten people.

Even pre covid because that's all he can fit inside if the weather shitty. Oh, okay. But... And we just went in the bay. So we were like, in between Treasure, Island and Island. So that's there. Yeah.

But

discerning a hal bite

is tough. Really? Like, for a first time or maybe I'm just special. No. I I... Like, the so the boat always moving. So you... The tip you're rod is, like, moving under power? No. You're... What you're drifting. Drifting. Okay. But as far as the boats always rocking. Yeah. So and you're on the bottom. Yeah. So the tip you're rod is constant movement. Are you holding the rod watch in a pole hole in a rod holder just watching it. So hand eye coordination, I could see is not your strong suit. It's phenomenal. We've talking about.

That's mean.

Hurts.

But

no. Just like, you know, because all they're doing, all that help it's doing is sipping it.

Oh, you know? So... Yeah. He's like,

I'm like, a twenty times ask the captain. Like, dude Is that... Is that a bite? No.

And then when I get a bite because did you notice that? I'm like, dude... It's been doing that for an hour.

So do they... Is it like, It's light like... And do they hold onto it? Or do you gotta be on it? To kinda... Kinda be on it? I was surprised because they use, like,

like number six, like bait holder Go god? Jeez. Like, I thought they would use like, a circle hook so as soon as they bid on it, they're hooked. They're red. Because You're not supposed to set the hook on Hall either. Oh, so I'm like I feel like, but then again, they do it every day So You're not arguing. Yeah. You're not arguing... You know... But, yeah. There's just number six?

Just a six straight base. Six with a anchovy on a live anchovy. Yeah banging it on the bottom. Hook through the lit.

Wow. Yeah. That's easy to miss fish. Oh, dude.

So easy. Yeah. Do you lose a lot of bait? You do lose a lot of you don't lose a lot of bait. You go through a lot of bait. Okay. So you'd reel up, like, every five to ten minutes to check your bait. Josh. Still swimming. Gotcha, you'd see it'd be beat up a little bit. Like, it had been in a mouth. Like, somebody had grabbed grab that. Right. So you'd gotta get rid of it grab another bait.

And the only thing I was bummed out about because...

It's two hundred bucks for a half a day. Yeah. Person.

I had to bait my own hook.

That's Paul bullshit. Not into that. Yeah. I don't... I... And because I took the wife, I bait two hooks. So you're bait and wiggly min. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's it's a tough bite to discern. So you basically...

The only way like, it's that it's an easy time to see it. Yeah. Is when the boats rolling a little bit,

and it should be... Your your rod should be laying placid and it's not. And it's just staying down slow. Like, steady. Like, you're... That's a bike. But other than that, your... The boat rocking so much. It's constant moving on the tip. It's like,

you can't hold it. Right? Can you you sit there? Can't.

It's just said that would be fucking horrible at that. Oh, dude That was bad. Yeah. Because, like, the he heat and then the captain's like, well, just look at other rods

and see if they look similar to yours and you know you don't have a bite.

I'm fuck. I gonna stand twenty feet away so I could look at more than... I'm trying look at one rod. I gotta bait this one. I gotta get bait for the wife.

Not that she can't bait her own hook, but, you know,

you're gentlemen. Sure, Gentlemen. She reason not dead house. Very gentlemen.

But either way, so I ended up my wife got two shaker.

I caught one keeper,

but we went for a a one of our friends birthday. Oh, cool. She wanted to go, and she ended up limiting out. And catching two shaker. Sweet. So it was all in all, and then, but

the wife didn't get to take a fish home except for the pity fish that the people from out of town gave her. Oh Yep. I'll have to remember that. They were from Denver

and they only wanted enough to go take to a restaurant to cook that night anyway. Yeah. So they hooked her up with the pity. They gave her the pity fish it, which is in my freezer, so I'm perfectly happy whatever. But I mean, I'm gonna bring that up to her. I would. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you can... You got a pity fish. Pity fish. Yes. That that... That's, like, do you... I hooked it? Do you wanna fight this fish? You I don't know, has I ever done that? No. But I mean, that's the same thing. Right? Hey with a small mouth? Yeah. Did you hook that one this out course. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That That was a good small mouth she. I'm not a I'm not afraid to even get a hand off from somebody. I don't care. Oh, no. I'd take a hand

anytime. Not ashamed at all. Yeah. Not ashamed. There's no shame. Yeah. No. I I...

But how it was rad. I mean, it's... I could see if you lived in the bay or even if you lived up here and didn't mind that Yeah a half hour drive

and had a boat that you weren't afraid to take in the bay, which still don't have to be a very big boat. No. That's an easy fisher to do. Really?

It's pretty minimal cost on

tackle.

Yeah. And then you just follow a party boot, and you just pick the line, just figure the line. Pick a line and you're just drifting anyway. So drift do about an hour long drift. So however long it took... At that day, at least. Yeah. However long it took the current to move us for about an hour. How long... What time did you start in the morning? Promptly at six and we were back at the dock by by noon. So So you gotta stay down there? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm... I wanna do something like that with the boys, but I have this, like, great fear of c sickness

for them. Get the patch. My wife was afraid to. I don't. I don't get seas sick luckily.

But she went to the doctor

and got the little patchy. Just put it on the night before. Oh, okay. And she's, like,

that night. She's like I'm a little drunk. You know, it's like it gets you pre... Yeah. Pre woo to go on a boat Gotcha. But something for the, like, a family, like, one of those six pack boats for rock fish.

Yeah. Is the way to go, like, out of Eureka Trinidad, Crescent City. Yeah. That's what I kinda have my eye you hammer fish. Yeah. It I mean, it it... It was rad, like, three years ago when you keep catch, like, when the lumen was five black rock fish. Yeah. And then obviously, all the other species. Yeah. But then they dropped it to two. Yeah. And brought it back up to three.

But in that area that's mostly what you catch. So... Yeah. But you're reeling in too fish at a time, a lot of the times. Yeah. I don't it's super easy. Yeah. I mean, I don't necessarily need to come home with a ton of meat. It's just it's bad though. I think the action would... Oh, yeah. Keep them their mind off the c seas segment. Hundred percent. And you're not fault rock fishing, you you...

You're mile off. Oh, really? Yeah. You're not. That's cool. Yes. That'd be a good one.

Yeah. And it's fun. Because, yeah. Because you just jig real quick. There's one. And you'll hit two. At time. Oh, shit this feels heavy. Yeah. Yeah. You got two six pound rock fish on. That's awesome. So... Yeah. I... That's definitely been something I'm wanting to do get the kids into something doing different. You know? Right.

And,

yeah. It's fun.

Yeah. It's worth it. Yeah. Because what else you got coming up?

So big vacation this year. Big vacation.

And,

no. Not doing it. No. No out of state hunt. No big vacation. No big vacation. In fact, I'm like... Scrambling to find things to fill the vacation I have left, really to where I took a day off today.

He's was like, also, I'll take the kid to school, I'll I clean my shop off. So if you don't use it, you lose it? No. Just

you'll either get paid out for or you gotta use it. They'll make you use it like, at the end year. Gotcha. Gotcha. You know? I'm just, like,

everything you wanna do is

not allowing anybody to do anything.

Yeah. I was even... I was only gonna take the kids in this week weekend and all the national forests are closed, which is kind of a bummer. Right. Whiskey town is still open. That's where one of our buddies is Matt Cali is going up to Whiskey town tomorrow. Us thinking him, you know, either that or the river. But, Glen County don't close its boat ramps.

Why would it?

Covid fires. Pure reclamation anyway. So... Isn't it? No. It's Glen County.

County owns those boat ramps? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're all we're all pure reclamation in Tame County. Probably because we're above the diversion dam. Yeah. So to yeah. Which isn't a dam anymore, But Well, and, you know,

you're not, redneck neck enough own boat ramps. No. We're not.

No. Mean, the homeless population Red phones boat ran now.

Not to get on that tangent, but... No. No. No. No. Well, man, hey, we're we're coming up on an hour here. I like it. And

it's been great having you on the podcast and is wrapping with you. I And I I don't care what everyone says.

You

you deserve to be on this podcast. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I wish I could speak with something more substance.

Oh, no. I Mean, I'm here to entertain. Let's be real clear about my podcast purpose. I mean, there might be three people that to do it. Yeah. I my mom and wife being too. Yeah. There we go. Let's jack it up. You know? But, like, if if if people are listening on the Barb podcast to, like,

be under... At least with the ones I host to to be anything but entertained.

They're gonna need to scroll down that feed a little bit. Because, like, you start dipping into the chad nick ones where they have, like, biologists

on Like, I can't. Like smart, like, like,

really educated people. Right? Like,

well, that's what you're listening. That's what you're tuning in for on that episode. I think, yeah. That's like, you know, you need to just skip mine. Like, can go

If you want entertainment value purely, That's it. You go, well, who's Hogan Brown having. And you can always make the title seem

better than it might actually be. Yeah. Hogan Brown with Dom duran who,

whatever.

Yeah. We'll come up with up, like, party boat maintenance. Party boat maintenance. Plug it in. Yeah. Pull, I get it. Plug the fuel line in. Yes. Is when is the is the party boat go away for the winner? Party about?

I wanna a fish off of it in the winter. K. But, yeah. I... You gotta get on that. Right now, it's covered up because the, raining ash. Yeah. I. Yeah. The apocalypse in the bluff. So,

covers on it now and I only had, like, last summer, it's... I bought it noon in twenty eighteen. K. That summer

all the time.

Every weekend. Almost last summer, tons of time on the water. Yeah. This summer, as soon as I got it, like, out from the winter. Mh. Like, in early June, like, it decided to rain in red bluff every weekend.

Yeah. And then that was a weird start to the summer, like shit. And then we started running out of time to do anything. So it was only the second time I've had it out in a couple weeks

couple weeks ago. So whatever. Well, I I will say I noticed, like, I had my boat covered up during the rain of ash. Yeah. And I was looking at on, like,

I'm about to clean all that ash off. And then the wind came up today.

It blew it all off. I was, like, win

win done. Yeah.

I was gonna be the freaking jack wagon and that blows it off with the leaf blower. I did my neighbor's yard. I had do that. Did you do that? Because that's, like such a no no. Well, we went we went to the lake. Yeah. And then

we hadn't had ash for a couple days, and then I parked it, got busy.

And that, like, the next Sun... On Sunday, it fucking rained ash like crazy. Yeah. I'm like I need to freaking cover this thing before. Yeah.

And I did... I had to pull leaf blower and... Because I'd washed it. You were that prior. You were that guy. I got a big lot. It's fine.

I I did in the street. At a boy. I pay taxes thing That... Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Alright, man. Well, hey. I would I would give out your credentials in your social media. Usually, we do at this point of that someone call and book you, but really, there's no reason for anyone to get in contact with you. No. There's not. Yeah. Other than...

No. Nothing. Yeah. There's really no reason mind. Yeah. Nothing comes to mind. I mean, you know, you can call chat.

Between the hours of,

I don't recognize a number therefore. I will not pick up.

So let's put this. If you wanna talk to Dom rand, call me all connection connections. That's right. There you go. Pre screen. Pre pre screen. I'll say this gentleman has some interesting things to say.

It's... This gentleman has a question about a party barge.

I got it. And I got it

Alright, guys. Hopefully you found this entertaining. We got a couple couple good ones coming up next time with some guides and such.

Hopefully you guys are all safe out there from the fires, and, hey, if if you are a firefighter and you're out there fighting all these fires and busting your hump listening to this podcast. We thank you. And be safe, take care of everyone and

have a... Hey, have a great rest of the the week or whenever you're listening to this, and we'll see you next time. Take care. Thank you.

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