Covid19 Report Special Report - Clearwater Lodge - Michelle Titus and John Fochetti

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Hey. Welcome to another episode of the Marvelous Fly fishing podcast. I'm your host,

chad Ole and Nick is in a meeting today. He's got you know, it's busy, busy times on Covid,

the Covid chronicles continue here, guys.

So today's date is I didn't need to look. I don't even know. I just kinda lose track of time.

Today is the twenty fifth of March, and it's four thirty Pm.

The the Congress just released a two trillion dollar

stimulus package for the economy.

That just happened about an hour ago. It looks like

So that's good news, but, you know, hopefully, we can

rainy day it and and make it work.

So with us today is Michelle Titus and John Fa machete from

clearwater

quick clearwater water lodge. And are you guys in Fall River, Bernie? I can't... I always forget Fall. River mills Yeah Fall River mills. How are you guys doing?

I'm doing Can. I'm I'm doing alright.

Yep. Yep.

So how are things going on the ground there. You too. Like, we have, you know, Michelle, if you guys don't know about Michelle She owns a lodge called the clearwater lodge up in

Fall River,

and John's her head guide there that runs a guide program,

and he also,

is does guide guiding...

Like, what what what do you call it when you're a Solo guide person owner...

Independent things. An independent guide. Yeah. Yeah. See. I I learned something new every day doing a show. So... Yeah all of the guys actually that work out of clearwater

independent guys.

I

I just contract with them based on their availability.

So they each have

their own book of business and work a variety of waters, both during

my season, which is a trout season and then then through the

fall

and winter and into the spring.

So this is impacting

all of them, you know, away from

whether or not or when the lodge is gonna be able to to reopen again? Yeah.

Well,

typically, right now, you're kinda, like, gearing up for opener and and I I assume getting the lodge kinda dialed up. Yeah.

Yeah. So I'm used to, you know, shelter and places kinda of when my life are the winter too.

I'm down here, and I lived in here around.

So we're closed. I keep

you know, a maintenance staff, but,

yeah. There's always

upgrades and,

ordering and stuck in the fly shop and those kind of things, but it's it's really quiet. This is my time to travel. In fact, right now. I'm supposed to be in Hawaii. I was appreciating a wedding on Friday that's

with postponed. I'm gonna it in their backyard and policy on Friday. Oh just four of them. How many, weddings have you done?

It's my first one. They were very brave. Very good friends and very brave. She's my she's my bet. My horse... My e declined surgeon, and we've been really dear friends over the last six years. So

He punt Nas for me to do that. That's cool. So I ran the chef the county and got d ties, so I could barely when you to... You're given the a pass to do a one day wedding. So I'm gonna pull that off on Friday. Are you nervous?

No. I'm

redoing vows right now. We're kinda of what I'm gonna say. Again, it's really gonna be quiet. We're gonna face facetime her father in and, hopefully Jim's parents.

I don't think I'm nervous. I think I might cry. I'm sure I'll cry. But... Yeah. I'm pretty excited. It's an honor, and

it'll be a lot easier without

without an naughty and psychic. That's cool. I've done... I've three weddings.

And I was nervous for the first one. It was my sisters, but then after that, it was pretty chill.

But yeah. Yeah. I got Or ordained through the universal life church, you can go to Right. Online and you can even get your dog ordained if you wanna I think, probably.

If I can get our game. The Hawaii. Anybody can. Hawaii was easier.

Cow find just a little more strict about what you have to do. Well, the Shaft County. Was strict. I had. Yeah. Go up here in person and do some crazy stuff that I didn't have to do for Hawaii. But... Go. Onward and, and then we... I had a group, I put together a hosted trip in April. Yeah. Simple belize,

we were supposed to leave the eleventh, and that, just got

shut down in the last few days, so we've reschedule for, a year from now. April tenth we're gonna go. So Yeah. It's impacting, you know, I think it's impacting

personal. For me, it's impacting personal fishing and personal fun

a little bit more differently than on the ground

day to day life here. Yeah. It's pretty quiet for me, normally. Can you guys kinda talk about a little bit about when you book these either large or destination trips how the deposits work because there's a lot of people that I think don't... If they have book if they have trips booked right now.

Maybe don't understand how the the whole money situation works on the back end. My understanding is if you're... The... Even if you're the independent and you're the one that's too in hosted trip, you have to kinda, like, front the money almost to make those to make those work, and I know on the large side you do, is that is that accurate?

So for a hosted trip, you know, typically, you're guaranteeing

a facility during a a set day That you're going to bring x number of people and it can be anywhere from six to ten as kind of the

the norm. And if you're able to

bring in

that number of pain guess,

you've, you know, reached your milestone. I've not had anyone... I mean, I've not been required to pay anything up upfront. It's just they will only hold days for you for a certain period of time while you reach out and get them filled.

You know, But if you

don't have it filled and you say to them, don't worry about I'm gonna fill it, then, yeah, I guess you'd be on the hook to to come up with that money.

From,

and and in working, again, the the lodging believes they're being good to us, there,

you know, gonna move our resolutions forward, and I've even asked them to

refund back, you know, the the fine... We all made our final payments to refund back that final payment to

the three other couples that are going and just keep the half deposit

until next year. And we'll see what they say. But...

I think that's my.

Yeah. I don't think that's bad thing asked. I'm not as worried about me, but I'm worried about people, but, you know, I made arrangements for this thing and drug people into this.

From my standpoint here running the lodge, you know, we start booking out a year ahead of time,

as a lot of our... Our guests book the day they lead for either the exact same week or something comparable in the coming season.

And

I typically around the first of the year start collecting or once our season is ended, then I collect a deposit, and,

you know, that keeps their space, you know, the situation here, were relatively small. We can have up twenty two guests.

But people book these kind of trips in advance. And so collecting a deposit, a

more or less ensures that you're gonna have guests show up because we aren't in a business where people call at the last minute. Yeah.

You know, with five days free or three days free and driving five hours to come and stay.

I so far have not had any requests

or cancellations, had a couple large groups that just due to company policy and the current situation with the virus

can't have any group trips in q one q two. So we moved them into July and August. Mh.

But, you know, at this point, my guests are are happy to sit back and wait and see what's gonna happen. We're not scheduled to open until mid May,

So I think,

you know, I'm comfortable waiting until mid to late April and then making that call as to whether or not

we need to be,

you know, pushing

reservations forward, if anyone wants their money back, of course I'm gonna do that.

And and I think any of us in in a that are small business owners are going to do whatever it takes to maintain

good relationships with our guests who we rely on to come back year after year. And John can talk,

to the

impact this is having gone independent guide. I think they maybe run a little less tight

financial mentorship and don't always require deposits, and that may

be, more of an outs for them, John. Yeah I know you mentioned to me you've lost some bookings lately. What's going on with you?

I lost all of my bookings. I have nothing

scheduled for the next

two months.

Everyone's canceled.

I returned everyone's deposits because I just felt like that was the right thing to do right now.

You know, I mean, obviously,

people all said they would re book, and and and I'm sure they will, but You know, who who knows when that's gonna happen. So this has definitely been a a huge

financial,

yeah. I mean, it's hurt for sure.

And it's the same way with every, you know, independent guide that I know,

in the North State right now. I mean, no one Yeah. Is working.

You know, and more. I don't know, you know, personally, what everyone's doing about deposit.

I know some people have people,

you know, already kind of re booked for later in the year, the problem, you know, that I have is kind of a little more unique where the log starts up, you know, in May. So I don't book a lot of my own trips from

you know, May to,

November. It's mostly

large trips. So,

you know, I probably won't

recoup the losses from,

from, you know, these couple months this year. It'll probably just be a loss.

Yeah.

You know, with this... With the stimulus package that they... The Congress just approved, there's... There there must be provisions in there for situations like this, John,

I am trying... You know, I'm trying to put together an episode that talks specifically

to you know, folks like yourself in the position you're in right now and all those other guides and, you know, basically, like, small shop owners and folks like that.

I'm trying to get somebody a professional expert on the show to kinda talk about what the options are.

Within the context of those those types of of businesses.

So if anybody listening knows anyone that could come on and and kind of, like, parse that subject with us,

and and just answer a bunch of questions that we have, will probably have you know, an actual guide on as well just to to get, you know, to get those questions straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

We really could use, you know, some insight there. I've got a few feel out, but these are, you know, ones to a a payroll company that I... That I work with that had put out some nice documentation and seem to have their their finger on what's going on, but I don't know if I'll be able to get them on yet.

Well, until the... So the the current package that hasn't passed, the one that's being w around in the senate of the house, is the one that's going to address small businesses and individual payments. The,

the initial doc... The initial

stimulus stimulus one is,

more directed towards

financing,

medical assistance and such. So,

when that happens, I'm happy to turn you over to the professionals that I'm working with currently. And it sounds like there's going to be some small business loans,

some in the form of grants mostly in the, unfortunately, in the form of loans for small businesses,

unless it's been removed. There is a provision for independent contractors, the gig economy kind of workers, which is where guys would fall into. Yeah. Yeah.

To be able to receive that, you know, twelve hundred dollar payment.

If they're filing taxes that they're showing

revenue,

I know they're... They have been trying to find a way to fit those people in, which would also include a lot of, you know, bargain or waiters, waitress, people who Yeah. W two reflects not necessarily a lot in revenue, but mostly in ten ninety nine

tips and things like that. So Yeah.

I think we're a few days away from

understanding

what help might be coming,

but it but it certainly,

you know, could be a little bit that that helps

everybody. Yeah. Michelle, I'll probably take you up on that If if I can't get someone from this other company that I've... I'm working on to get... To come on, and I wanna I wanna try to get that episode up, you know, at later next week if possible.

In the meantime, people can official bone.

I know Johnson taken his girlfriend out. I see a lot of guides finally teaching

you know, teaching teaching wise, teaching thousands, teaching dates, teaching mates.

Individuals out

Is

still okay.

I think I think it's unfortunate and where we are and so many of the the fall winter type trips are in your boats. So that probably is a frowned upon

getting in the boat with strangers

situation, but walking and waiting. Why not? You can easily be six feet away from someone

and getting yourselves out on the water,

continuing the pipe flies is continuing to

purchase your equipment for the coming season from our local fly shops.

I think that that is something that we can all do to

help all of our friends and family in in the industry.

Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know well, what, you know, how this goes for guides right now. I mean,

I'm seeing a few people out working here and there. There's... You know, I had a guy call me that wanted to come up from the bay this week and

you know, obviously, I'm in that weird situation right now where it's like, well, do I really wanna be having someone from the Bay Area come up and

be in my boat with me, but at the same point, at at same time, it's like, well, how can I turn down money right now, You know?

Yeah. And I I think that's a pretty common struggle for a lot of people right now, John, You know?

I don't... I mean, I think if somebody wants to come up and bitch with me right now, I'm probably gonna take the trip. You know? My thing, what I was gonna do with the guys, you know, that I kinda talk to was you know, we'll be in the boat together. I don't think that's that big of the deal when we're outdoors. You know, we're not gonna be,

you know, right on each other's spaces. You know? So we're a couple feet apart in the boat, and I told them you know, bring all your own food and bring all your own drinks and

I'll bring all my own food and my own drinks. Yeah. I I honestly think it's it's gonna... It's kind of on a case by case basis. It's, you know, in terms of regional stuff because

I wouldn't walk six feet away from someone in Central Park in New York. I'll tell you that, you know, No. Right. So Right. So it kind of, you know, again, I'm no doctor, but, you gotta just be smart about it.

Are you tying flies or anything and just kinda, like, building up inventory or, you know, in in, you know, in hopes that once once things lift, you'll be able to push that inventory out fairly quickly or what, you know, is there anything you're doing?

I am moving

into a my new house right now. Oh, Talking about financial professor. John just closed Escrow and bought a new house. Yay for Jones to support the economy.

Yeah. I don't know if this was

the stupidest thing I've ever done in my life. Or a smart thing.

Take it though.

To be determined.

Yeah. I'm definitely a little breath at the moment with

money, but I'll be alright for, you know, I mean, if I didn't work for a few months here

at all. I'll be okay after that. It's gonna start to get a little

sketchy.

I think we all see a lot of our friends, so definitely, you know, H Brown post videos. So

Tai Tai thai. Matt Cal uses Tai Tai tie. And I think a lot of our friends who

you know, maybe they don't necessarily sell their own flies, but they rely on using them for

you know, if their signature tie flyers the companies that they're affiliated with those the ones tying in their flies.

If they've got some side jobs or some side clients who buy from them. Great.

You know, but I do see a lot of our friends in the fly fishing community.

I think I've seen more flight tying snippets on and stories

in the last few days By typically see in two weeks or a month.

Yeah.

And, you know what? Go ahead, John.

People are still getting out of the water for sure. I mean, this last weekend, I was out on the stack and it was

so busy that I actually got off of the water. I pulled my boat off the water because it was crazy.

Yeah.

I bet in three days it's not gonna be, like, at or probably even than today.

Well, I mean, with the cooler weather it calmed down, but it was, you know, nice over the weekend, and,

It it was crazy. I mean, people are still getting out, but I just... I don't know. I don't know how long that's gonna last. I know a lot of other places are completely like, Clear lakes completely closed down.

Care made closed down.

Yeah. Pyramid closed down. I mean, there's a lot of places

that are closing down. So

I guess, we'll see if they continue to keep the stack open and cha lake and, you know, all that stuff that you yeah. Still can go out there and

I saw you today that Yosemite and,

gosh what park here. I just... My brain just turned off.

I have closed. Those national parks have actually closed here in California. So

we're seeing some even though the the initial was get out and enjoy the outdoors, take advantage of our state parks in our national park,

they're shutting those down.

I think they... Won they don't want to have employees.

In contact, the rangers not in contact people etcetera, so from a safety standpoint,

more and more and more every single day,

the government's,

unfortunately being put in the position of,

liability. And

we did get an email today from the chef at Trinity National forest where they are

not doing anything face to face a few employees are still going into the offices up in Mount Cha.

They have not shut anything down.

Yet, from a youth standpoint for

for people to be out, but I'm sure they're having to reconsider or consider some of that again just to protect

and protect their employees?

Yeah.

You know, that...

Yeah. I mean,

go for it.

Well, I was gonna I was gonna say that,

you know, I I think that California still...

I think, you, I don't wanna, I don't wanna be, you know, put bad thoughts in people's heads, but I also wanna make sure that, you know,

you're you guys are aware we're still very much behind the Abel.

Just based on, you know, what's coming out of out of the,

you know, out of the governor's office in terms of the numbers and whatnot and what you're seeing and, you know, trend wise in New York, it's it's pretty... It's pretty gnarly. I I still feel like, you know, if it's a tsunami, that water still going out, and it hasn't hit in California yet.

So, you know, just just be prepared for it to get

worse than it gets better, but I think it, you know, it it could snap back just as fast. It just kinda depends on you know, I I think one thing about our countries is you know, we're pretty... We we rise to the occasion in terms of adversity,

and this will be a challenge for the, you know, for this generation. So

Absolutely it.

Well, I don't have any testing seen. I think it's put us all in a position of,

again, I live up in such a remote area. Yeah. There's nobody up here in Chest County so far has had

limited, but we've had a adapt now,

and

limited exposure, but there's no testing. So Yeah. We don't really know that there's limited exposure. You don't really know that there are,

you know, whether odds are with you are against you and and even in extremely populated areas,

whether it be the Bay area or Los Angeles,

nobody

were not we're not capable yet of testing enough people

to know anything, and then I think even what's more important and hopefully, we'll get here just as quick our,

test to determine whether or not you've had the virus and whether or not you've got any immunity to it. I think that

will be the one that can open the door to allow for a return to some normalcy,

not just knowing

potentially who sick and how sick and and the the strain on our medical system, but

if in fact, you've been

exposed, you've had the virus you you might know it or you might not know it.

Are you immune or are you still shedding anything. Is there anything that that allows or causing you to still be contagious and.

There's just so much I'm unknown right now. We all need to do our part

and stay away from people.

Keep keep not only self safe, but keep everybody around you say.

Yeah. And and still, you know, try to

people get spun up,

you know, emotionally spun up during stuff like this and just try to, you know, be

be nice to people, you know, go out of your way to be nice to people.

Yeah. I I've mailed people toilet paper. I I,

because of the business I'm in, we have a lot of toilet paper. And so I have in the back of my car. So people ever were left over from last season, I didn't go out and buy it or have to hoard it, and

I've actually mailed toilet papers of people.

If you need toilet paper call me. We did me and Michelle did a a, like, toilet the paper drug drug deal in the parking lot, like, a week or two ago. It was very fine. Damn.

Yeah.

But but we do, we wanna be kind other. We wanna understand, you know, in the biggest thing the takeaway here is this is the greatest equal

amongst every single person who walks our earth.

No one will come away from this unscathed,

we will all be battered. We will all be scarred, but we will all be okay. And Yep. I think if if we can all sit back and and

take that step away from

what's happening to me and be super thankful that

I'm just here, and I'm healthy, and I am gonna make it through whatever this is, that I hope my parents stay safe. I hope

you know, my friends and my family and people, I don't know. I just I hope that we're able to wrap our arms around this thing and save as many people as possible.

Yeah. That's what matters because we are so resilient as a people.

And we're so resilient of a country. We're gonna see those world war world war era,

manufacturing, you know, kicked back in. And all the things that people had to live without in order to support wars.

We can do that for a period of time. I'm I'm hoping that we're not gonna have to do that for a terribly extended period of time. But I think all of us can

find ways to keep ourselves sane and keep ourselves

happy at home and satisfied knowing we're doing the right thing. It's super fun where even up here where I live, again, in the middle of nowhere,

people are taking this serious and

you know, small gyms that exist here, they've immediately figured out how to do Facebook live and still hold, you know, individual

trainers are posting

their exercise routines at the same time, you know, their classes would typically be held.

There's great meditation. There's a lot of Levi. There's a lot of jokes going.

But I think there's so much out there that all of us

when we feel like we're missing something. We're not. There's there's ways thank God with social media and and with the Internet,

to be able to participate in group events

over an Internet feed. And to continue to extra exercise, continue to go outside walk when it's safe and in

in your

communities

without impacting other people.

One of my daughters just sent me a great link that

the state of New York. Their problem right now is they've run out of dogs to adopt.

And so many people are doing things like realizing,

hey, we can go get a shelter dog now because

Guess what? We're gonna be home for two weeks. We now have the time to train the dog. We now have the time to be home with this dog and to get it to become part of our family, and and, of course, in a few weeks and a few months, we're all gonna have to go back react. They can return it. You will have no Now. I just kidding. Kidding. But, you know, when you get a puppy or you get a new dog, you need that time to

assimilate them and you're environment.

To train them and to work with them. And then and then, of course,

they're gonna be okay at home without you or not.

But you can train them and you can spend that time with them and imprint them, And now is the very best time. You know, I'm gonna veer off from the life machine as what's in it for us situation and say, if you have the desire,

go to your local

humane society. And

as long as it's something that once you return to work, you can still be a really good pet owner

find that animal that your family has always wanted that you didn't have time for

and take this time now. That's great...

There's a project for the whole family right there. That's right. That's right. And then course you know it trained and

boom, and then you gotta work and you've got a crate friend. You've got a dog door that it knows how to use,

I ended up booth who really elderly pops, a, couple weeks ago, in a in a bad situation. And

They were scared. They're tiny, and I have huge, you know, golden galore retriever, But man, now, I've... They've been here for three weeks. They're ripping in and out of my dog door.

They are part of the family. They jumped up on the couch with the big dogs, and

If if

anyone out there listening can go and do that and help save a pet.

That would be a encouraging thing do. They'll sit right there at your feet while you're tying your flies. Hey, Michelle. Tell tell our listeners, How many how many pets you have in in the variety of pets?

Because I think it's awesome... I think I'm feeding twenty eight right now.

So I have four horses for many donkey,

four dog.

I don't know. Twelve cats.

I have a lot. I have a... Do you have any... Do you have any Tigers?

I don't have any Tigers or Lag or Zebras.

See, Mike Tyson has Tiger. Well you used to have a tiger, but not anymore. But Yeah I don't need that new show on Netflix. It's all about that new that re on the Tiger?

Or

I started in it looks so

so nuts. Yeah. It's on my... It's on my watch list. I know exactly what you're talking about. That guys off the off the chain. Yeah.

Completely. I won't even do goats. So you got you got Netflix.

That's not me you can do with yourself. Yeah netflix foot. I I really. I really like that that adopt a pet

message though. That's really cool. Thank you for suggesting that one.

It's a it's a great thing And again, that families

individuals. All the things that you... All these things that we said we don't have time for. We have time for. I love the folks that talk about, you know, kids that are home from school.

You know, now's it's the time to teach them how to check the oil and they're in a car, whether or not they're big enough to drive. You know, how do you check air pressure on a tire? How do you cook an egg? Let's get get get home and get down to basics of

here's some, you know, real life skills that when we're also busy and we're all going in a million directions, we don't take the time for. And whether it's your kids, your grandkids,

we're all home now is our little insulated families.

Now's is that time,

I've actually cleaned out a couple closets and done a few things that I should have done a long time ago, but if I had small kids around now would be the time where

it would be really fun to

you know, teach them how to bake, teach them how to follow a recipe,

find some ways to give them,

long term life skills, u, away from

their phones away from the screen,

we get outside and we play.

And we learn and and learn some fun things. Yeah. Had a buddy... I've got a buddy that I had a conversation with. The other night and for, like, an hour,

and he's basically, like, you know, the cool thing, if there is a cool silver lining to this is that he's, you know, the... As a family, they eat out, like, five five days a week because both of him and his wife for, like, professionals, and they they work crazy hours.

And

he was, like, you know, we've been working from home, and we have, you know, we're done pretty much at five, and then it's, like, we have all this time now, and we're getting our groceries delivered through via Insta carts. So So we... The whole family's cooking, Like, my daughter's were really into cooking and she's, like, learned how to do this this this. And I just... I thought that was cool. You know, and to your point, it's just kind of, you know, it's it's kind of

letting families

that nuclear family you know, that they kind of was born in bread in the fifties kind of become a thing again for at least a little bit, and it gives people a taste of what that's like. You know? Because

I still think that that generation is still the best. And if we can, you know, Yeah. There's their search. I think there could be some cool stuff that comes out of the bit. Yeah. Like, I do too, man. I really do but I really do. I mean, my worry is,

you, you know, we kinda just fall back up. Status quo. But soon as things are status quo, you know, everyone just goes back to what they know.

And, hopefully, it doesn't, you know, people still continue continue you to

do that kinda cool stuff with their family and

I know that I... Yeah. No worries. Things will go back to normal. They have to go back to normal, but the... I think the difference is gonna be that there's gonna be a level of

of, self awareness and gratitude.

That happens with people this time around that that I think wasn't there before. That's my... That's why. And the skills you've got your kids, even though we all go back to normal, they go away to college, guess what they can cook.

You know, they they grow up and go on in their lives, whether it's a week or a month or two months that were locked in right now.

They're not gonna forget what they learned.

We may all fall back into those old patterns, but we're not gonna forget what we learned. We're not gonna forget the joy we had. The next time we lose power for an hour or twenty four hours.

We're gonna remember

how easy it is to get through that. Alright? You pull out the lantern, and you pull out a board game,

and,

gosh. We had to do this for two months. We can do this for a day. We can do this for a couple days. Yeah. I think I think there are long term

benefits

and always the silver lining when when we go through these things as both as individuals, as families,

and as a country.

Yep. Well say. I hope so.

What do you guys think? Is that a good spot to wrap?

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay. Well, you an animal? Well, when...

Yes.

We could always be just go both take our boats out on the river and separate boats and go fish for some stripe one of these days. You better

one of you. What I could be on one of... I wanna be on one of those boats.

Okay. Yeah. I'm totally down to do that, man. It's like, I think next week's is gonna we're getting one little push of water here and then next week it's supposed to be in the, like, low eighties down down here in Chico.

And, you know, provided Provided, we can get access to the launches and it's not stupid to do so. I'm down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And,

Michelle, I will see you tomorrow. I'm gonna

borrow the horse trailer. Oh, do you guys... Up for? Do you guys wanna talk about what we've been side about before we cut you loose?

Yeah.

Who wants to start.

Well, I'll start.

Are you talking about that we're gonna add on with you? Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. So so we've been

talking to Chad and

Michelle, and we're gonna

do

our own little podcast,

but add it on to

Chad and Nick Northern California podcast. So we're probably gonna do

well, one or two a month. Yeah. And

you know, do topics that kinda pertain to our water

up in the inter mountain area.

Be more specific, John, like, list off some you know, sit some towns in some waterways, so people know because these are places that we we touch on, but we don't cover in detail on the Nor cal show. So can you kinda like, get into details on a little bit better. Yeah. Yeah. Our waters that will cover up there and, you know, not limited to these, but we'll talk Pat Creek, we'll talk Fall River,

Bernie Creek,

Bomb,

Hit River, Mc mcleod River,

maybe a little bit on the upper stack.

And then, you know, we have a bunch of lakes up there as well. And

you know, not only fishing. We'll talk about

conservation. We'll get some cool people that are you know, locals up there that have been in the area forever. The war stories. Got some... Yeah. I've already got some cool ideas of a few, you know, old timers to to bring in.

I know we had talked about bringing

you know, Carson who is

Uc Davis,

fisheries biologist and those are waters shed, you know, the scientific

side of those waters shed better than anyone

definitely get him on there to talk about some projects they've been doing up there.

We've also got Cal traps gonna be here, Gosh, at least four times during the season with

group.

And so we've got, you know, Curtis Knight and Drew Bra, who can talk about specific projects, both going on up here and then throughout the state.

One of the great things about this lodge is the diversity and the variety of the guests we have here.

So I think they're gonna be a few times where we just have

little round discussions with guests,

who...

For water for reason or however, they got involved in the fly fishing community,

they have really

interesting backgrounds themselves. Yeah. They're personal in their business lives. And then we can talk about how that plays into

you know, the joy of fly fishing and and what it means for them to be out on the water and to be in touch with

with the with a fly fishing community. So we've talked about,

again, just that variety and that sweet spot in the guest clientele help we have here.

There's a bringing in a little bit of,

the the experience, not just

it isn't about the lodge. It's about

wife people fly fish, how they end up on the water.

We've got a lot of generational

guests here, you know, grandpa,

adult children and grandchildren. And all come up together there. And I think that's gonna be

you know, speaking with some of those groups who

come year after year after year. We get to watch their children grow up. We get to watch them interact with their parents with their grandparents.

We get to watch them learn this beautiful, beautiful sport a fly fishing. And, you know, it's the highlight of their years. They travel all over the world, but the one thing they want to always do is

come back here in fly fish, and and kinda just get back to that simplistic

being in nature. So we're really looking forward to sharing what goes on here. Yeah. You know we're bringing some light lighthearted around

around the sport in addition to

the,

the scientists and the biologists and the

the game warden so that, you know, we we get to interact with again because we're in a small community. So we'll be able to to pull in people and get some

reflection on,

both on a a really a local

pinpoint

topic, but then we can we can spread out and talk about,

you know, who and why

people are up, not just here, but ending up on the water. So think it's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah. And then in terms of, you know, the audio qualities once once we can all see each other's faces again.

Audio quality is gonna be the same as it is across the entire network it, like, the... You guys are used to listening to.

High end high end gear,

good mics and great great conversation. So

look out for that, we're make a big announcement on it when it's... When it... When we got everybody back back on the... By being along the way. Yeah. We're definitely looking forward to it. That's gonna be fine. That's gonna be coming Thanks.

Absolutely.

Yeah. Okay, You guys. Well, thank you very much.

What why don't we talk about the P. You too. And and really quick, the website. Facebook

Instagram really quick before we cut loose?

All these things. Clearwater lodge dot com.

If

Facebook is

clearwater lodge pit River. Our Instagram is clearwater lodge.

John, you've got here on things.

Mine,

my Instagram is bose We,

and,

website is John Fa machete Fly fishing.

Foot chevy, the Machete, for machete. Yeah. And if you're looking for guides, we've got such a great network of

independent guides that work with us. We're always happy to when when the time is right to get you out on the water with with any of them.

You know, John and and

the boys and gals that

that I'm lucky enough to get to have come work here with our clients,

just are phenomenal in

personality and skill and patients in teaching, and we'd... I'm always happy to

you know, provide contact information and send,

guests or strangers their way. That's my best interest to keep all of them working them on the water so. Yep. If you're ever just wondering. If you ever wanna talk, they're all really good about talking about flies that work in water that's fishing well. And

and, almost all of them have now gotten into fire fishing for bass. In fact, John and Ryan,

were just in a bass tournament on Lake S,

couple weeks ago. They were the only

fly machine team.

And I think came in twenty first out of sixty.

That's pretty cool. That's not bad. You know, first. Yeah. There's a lot of people. A lot, a lot of guys up here getting getting more into bass on the floor.

Mean. And so we're happy to talk to people and work with people around that, you know, find other ways

to get out on the water. It's not just trout. There are a lot of species and there's, you know. A lot of leads to

you know, get yourselves out on the water, and I have to say we have the most generous

network of guides who are happy to share information and happy to,

you know, help you be successful. You don't have to hire them. They're just really really

good young men and women who, love the sport and and I'm really, really happy to share it. Cool. Well, thank you Once again, you guys. If you like this episode. Chad. Yeah. For sure, man. If you guys like this episode, please leave us a review on your podcast player wherever you get your.

Check out our website, w w w dot barb dot c.

And

most importantly, thank you Cal out for keeping the lights on as month over month, you guys have been

you know, helping us out big time. To keep the, you know, keep our editor, editor paid and keeping this train going. So if you guys wanna support the shell, support Cal out by proxy. Thank you very much. Can I jump in on that? Yep. I'm sorry. But, you know, Cal out had to

unfortunately, not... They're not gonna be able to hold their kayla, which is typically held in the city,

May the first week in may for Friday in May. So they're going to be doing virtual,

sales and having,

both,

you know, online auction items. So typically, when you're at that event, there's live auction and

private or sign auction items they are putting together a platform in order to be able to offer all the great trips all the great items to get donated.

Oh, that's cool. And, yeah. So, at some point, Barbara will make sure you guys have a link both from their site.

And if you can...

Go ahead and go to the... It's cal trap dot org, and what an amazing,

amazing

organization doing work in throughout the entire state of California and even up into Southern Oregon. Oh, and down. Yeah. And, you know, fish water people,

not just driven towards fish at ecology, but the understanding that fresh water

is life for all of us.

And so if you've got a chance, look that up, we are auction off even spaces for the five challenge.

Cool. There are... Yeah. You can get into his drawing for the five year challenge. So which is the tournament we hold up here, out of the, out of the lodge this year in September. But

I'm gonna chime in and be a cal truck supporter. I love the fact that they're supporting Barb and and what you're doing sharing great information

but they're also just a fabulous

organization to align yourself with

always doing something invent and fun.

Absolutely.

Man. Well, you guys stay safe out there, keep your family safe.

Bat down the hatch. It'll get better soon, guys.

Thanks for listening soon. Care. Take care.

Later Chad.

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